The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[RedDevil]

Scientists Say Human-Caused Climate Change Is a Virtual Certainty | Fortune

Evidence of humanity’s cause of global climate change through atmospheric warming has reached a gold standard of certainty, said researchers in a commentary in the journal Nature Climate Change published Monday.

Using a statistical analysis common in particle physics and employed in detecting the elusive Higgs Boson, scientists evaluated volumes of satellite data. The implications are that there is only a one-in-a-million chance that the pattern of atmospheric heating is not the result of human activity.

[oil pan 4]

Not that long ago Dark matter was a virtual certainly too.

[RedDevil]

Now this is.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

As queen Pelosi once said:
"We have the votes and that's all that matters"
(To pass universal health care)

The US government already has way more power than they need to fix global warming. They control the NRC and DoE who has in their possession enough depleted uranium to power the country for at least 700 years.
We could be like France making kwhs for 75 grams of CO2, but no.

The one thing the vast majority of Americans can agree on is not to make the government to fix something.
The most recent example, government mandated health care. It more expensive than ever, is the number one reason people go bankrupt in the US and is harder to see a Dr than it was before it was passed.

Edit: queen Pelosi said she isn't voting for the new green deal.

What would the association between uranium and fixing climate change be?

[oil pan 4]

Yep, all these scientific ideas slowly build to a peak then come crashing down.

[sendler]

Jason Bradford linked his manifesto on Resilience.org.
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Food, its scarcity, the desire and opportunity to grow it, and the need to do it in ways that are appropriate to place and circumstance, will drive demographic shifts this century. People with life experiences and training suited for the urban environment are going to need a rapid education on what it takes to live off the land, and so-called conventional farmers and ranchers will have a steep learning curve to adopt more frugal and sustainable methods. But farmers and ranchers are not the only ones who need help adjusting to 21st century pressures. A society that actively supports them is also crucial to their success.
Some worry that in losing access to cheap energy the worst aspects of the past, such as xenophobic tribalism, will resurface. Navigating energy descent will likely require that we take the best of liberal world views like openness to ideas, enthusiasm for change, and tolerance of differences...
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With a list of references and further reading at the bottom
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https://www.resilience.org/stories/2...nergy-descent/
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Read the whole manifesto for download here here.
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https://www.postcarbon.org/publicati...ture-is-rural/
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[sendler]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Of course.
https://www.iea.org/publications/fre...18Overview.pdf

Thanks.
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[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

Yes. But adding these intermittents to the grid has made the price of electricity in Germany among the highest in the world for developed countries.
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Well... It was 20% of electrical production from the wind. The solar only peaked at 17% capacity factor. For a couple hours. What was the area under the graph for the day as a percentage of the total consumption? Today was much sunnier and since it was Saturday the total electrical consumption was lower. But they do show some very effective demand control today.
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https://www.electricitymap.org/?page...countryCode=DE
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The solar in Cali always looks funny since many panel installs have been incentivised to face more to the West.
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https://www.electricitymap.org/?page...ntryCode=US-CA
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I recall articles in which the German people agreed to higher short-term electric pricing in favor of long-term climate goals.They volunteered to do it.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

Unforunately this a very common misconception and is knowingly put forward in the green press. But it is unmistakable that developed markets that attempt to install a high percentage of solar or wind ends up with increased price to the consumer since most of the original thermal capacity must be retained and occasionally sits idle on standby. There is also added expense from the additional transmission that is required. And the rate payers are also on the hokk for some of the added incentives for rebuildables in the form of rebates on cap cost and feed in rate bonuses.
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Look at Germany, California and the worst case secenario in South Australia where they are constantly on the edge of a brown out all summer long due to installing a substantial percentage of wind and prematurely retiring some of the thermal generation. They are unfortunately now stuck with the most volatile wholesale pricing in the world with pricing sometims as high as $2,000/ MWh.
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Rebuildable electricity is only cheaper on paper. When you look at the real world effects, it is always more expensive.
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But whatever solar we can build out will be much better than nothing in 100 years.

The conventional power generation is priced beyond the entire GDP of the nation.It's just that the true 'cost' has never been included in the 'price'.
The renewables are,in the long-run,the cheapest energy sources we've known.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Yep, all these scientific ideas slowly build to a peak then come crashing down.

BS.
Your dark matter was never a fact. It was the UFO of the universe, the Unidentified Mass.
It was never analyzed with the statistical methods used to divine the probability of human influence on climate change.

So you are comparing an imaginary phenomenon, dreamt up to explain discrepancies in some astronomical observations, but debunked now we have better data, with a phenomenon that we fully understand and have lots of data about, that we have proven to be true beyond reasonable doubt?

Yeah sure. Must hurt being in denial.