The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[sendler]

Complicated creatures we are. I have repeatedly presented the link to the Hagens lecture to at least 200 people. It is seemingly complex at first so most people that actually do start to view it get uptight and switch to something else more immediately entertaining.
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The few solar advocates or university professors that I approached won't even click on it. They already "know everything" they need to know and there is nothing that a person like me ( 40 year auto mechanic ) could ever find out about that would be of any relevance to them.
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Out of all of that, I have had 3 people report back that they viewed the lecture. One seems to be a self educated expert on new energy and found it necessary to find a way to dismiss a few statements on nitpicks so as to discredit the whole thing and start calling Hagens (and me) foul names. Too dissonant to their embedded view. Another, from a new economy group, said he watched it twice and took notes.
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This is a concise distillation of Hagens' 1,200 pages of classroom material. Viewed on 1.5 speed it will be less than an hour. Mind blowing stuff that explains the relationship of how everything fits together. Energy, economy, ecology/ resources, evolutionary human behavior. And is unknown to most people including the world scientists and economists that council our leaders.
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I am driven to keep trying. I'm going out next week in two different cities to table and hand out flyers. Please take 1 hour in honor of Earth Day this year to watch this lecture.
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https://youtu.be/YUSpsT6Oqrg
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[freebeard]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

That's what I call 'seeing other people's horizons of perception'.

Their Overton Window. Someone made a PSA that says 'see a Nazi, punch a Nazi', that contains the assertion "The Overton Window needs enforcement."

A total inversion of the concept.

Originally Posted by sendler

Complicated creatures we are. I have repeatedly presented the link to the Hagens lecture to at least 200 people. It is seemingly complex at first so most people that actually do start to view it get uptight and switch to something else more immediately entertaining.

I like the way Scott Adams distinguishes facts and persuasion. We're seeing a good example with the Mueller report. The result didn't change any minds.

He says people (absent direct knowledge) will believe the last person they listened to.

[redpoint5]

I'm more of a sleep beneath the stars sort of person when it comes to Overton windows.

Overton windows has to do with acceptable topics to discuss, and in that regard, all topics are on the table. Much better to have someone openly share an idea than for them to keep it bottled up until acting on it.

[freebeard]

Much better to have someone openly share an idea than for them to keep it bottled up until acting on it.

If that is outside someone's Overton Window, hope that they're non-violent.

I talked to 5 people (neighbors) yesterday who literally did not know who Tulsi Gabbard is. A declared candidate for the 2020 election. !?!

The only peacenik candidate. The media are doing their job, all right.

edit Back to Youtube and what do I find:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqPVLEBEeuU

So, if you must fly, fly naked?

[redpoint5]

That's exactly what I'm implying, that it's better for a violent person to talk violently, than to suddenly appear from the shadows with violent action.

Milton tried to warn everyone that it was the last straw.

[freebeard]

Not John Milton (Paradise Lost) the everyman's hero Milton. "I believe you have my stapler".

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Not John Milton (Paradise Lost) the everyman's hero Milton. "I believe you have my stapler".

[freebeard]

In other news, Elon Musk on 14 April Twatted "Thinking about putting stainless steel dragon wings on the Starship." Scott Manley tested it in Kerbal Space Program and got into orbit and down to Mach 3 before it exploded. He has a T-shirt — "It was going pretty well ...until it exploded".

Originally Posted by Youtube

Scott Manley — Published on Apr 19, 2019
In an absolutely serious tweet Elon musk suggested that dragon wings might enhance the capabilities of his stainless steel starship concept. Thanks to the power of commercial spacecraft simulation software we are able to test this concept and prove that it was more than just a joke

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by freebeard

If that is outside someone's Overton Window, hope that they're non-violent.

I talked to 5 people (neighbors) yesterday who literally did not know who Tulsi Gabbard is. A declared candidate for the 2020 election. !?!

The only peacenik candidate. The media are doing their job, all right.

edit Back to Youtube and what do I find:

So, if you must fly, fly naked?

Someone tried... claiming less drag and all.
A true Ecomodder, or don't we want to associate with that guy?

My problem with the Overton window is that it appears unidirectional, and dare I say biased? People have vested interests in all kind of matters which don't line up. It tries to simplify a complex matter - for better or for worse.

[RedDevil]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Everything will change.
"The new red deal" forces change through the threat of force.

So does the army and the justice system.