The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Hersbird

In a way, diesel and unleaded gas that we use in ours cars is what is leftover from refining oil and taking out all the other products we rely on just as much as motor fuel. What saved the whales wasn't any Greenpeace campaign but the discovery ground petroleum products were just as good, more plentiful, and easier to produce. No need to kill whales. So if we don't produce any oil what about rubber, asphalt, plastics, modern fabrics, etc. Propane and fuel oil has to go too. Right now it's a perfect balance, if you remove just the transportation portion you still have to drill and refine just as much oil to provide the other products. You just end up with a lake of unused gasoline and the price of everything else rising to cover the waste gasoline.

I suspect that our appetite for the myriad of products derived from petrochemicals will remain.At least they're 'durable',rather than a flash preceding a 'tailpipe'.
My look into I.G.Farben suggested that, a chemist could take 'gasoline' and turn it into whatever they chose.Pressure,temperature,or a catalyst,and voila!
It's all too precious to waste.$trillion has been mentioned.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

No where that has had a large shift towards solar has seen lower rates.
At least with wind, rates seem to stay the same most of the time.

Finland is providing solar-powered electricity to India, cheaper than India's lowest-tech,filthiest,cheapest,coal-fired power plant could provide. And India has cancelled all coal-fired power plant construction projects.

[oil pan 4]

Canceled the coal fired power plants in favor of solar or something else?
It is India in a lot of places they may turn off the power at night.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Canceled the coal fired power plants in favor of solar or something else?
It is India in a lot of places they may turn off the power at night.

They are building long wires from India to tap the vast solar resources in Norway.

[oil pan 4]

I guess. I know it doesn't make any sense but I was going to play along.

[freebeard]

Norwegians are great ship-builders. They can use ships instead of an extension cord.

Grid storage is a work in progress.
We've already visited:

Wood, tin and sodium:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0619195221.htm

[RedDevil]

Oh fun, the incrowd has already forgotten about India's huge solar projects.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Canceled the coal fired power plants in favor of solar or something else?
It is India in a lot of places they may turn off the power at night.

It looks like,this year,India's government has embarked on major hydro projects to cover base load.

[aerohead]

Last Saturday,NBC Television's chief meteorologist,Al Roker went to Utquiagvic,Alaska,to join NASA,NOAA and the National Science Foundation,to observe their research in the Arctic.
This area is warming twice as fast as the lower latitudes and after the Marshallese Islanders,The native people of Utquiagvic are expected to be the next climate refugees.
Late ice,thin ice,early melt,melting of the permafrost,storm surge,are all conspiring to remove their traditional ways of life.
The scientists are gathering data for the climate models,hoping to be able to better predict the near and longer term future prospects for the region.
Brought to you by tailpipes!

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Tonight,the Public Broadcasting Network (PBS) begins their first of a 4-part series on climate change in Antarctica,airing each Wednesday in April.