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Old 08-14-2019, 07:47 PM   #6511 (permalink)
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Economics is the motivation for nearly all decisions, conscious and subconscious. I pursued the most attractive and temperamentally agreeable woman I could because of "greed". The economics is presumably that her traits are advantageous. None of that was really conscious to me; as I'm merely attracted to what I'm attracted to, and we're motivated to act toward things that are in our interest.

So it's not surprising that economics is the motivating factor behind most anything. It's a much better reason for action than other motivators, such as racism.

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Do you want to know the cause of war? It is capitalism,greed,the dirty hunger for dollars.Take away the capitalist and you sweep war from the earth.
War exists in single-celled organisms and transcends every living system. Native Americans had tribal war even though their society least resembled capitalism.

Capitalism is a tool; it's neither good nor evil. It can be used for great good or it can be used for great evil. It just so happens to be a better tool than the alternatives for spreading liberty and prosperity to all despite the unequal distribution of wealth.

Whoever is credited with that phrase is supremely ignorant to the human condition, because capitalism isn't responsible for human greed and propensity for malevolence, it's actually a feature of humanity that then uses tools like capitalism in abusive ways. Eliminate capitalism and you haven't removed even the tiniest portion of the problem, only that particular instrument to inflict abuse.

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Of course I don't understand the scale....My understanding is much worse than those who are devoted to studying the changes......
Very unusual that we agree.
 
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Very unusual that we agree.
We agree in 99.9% of things. It's just that where we do differ is more interesting, and emphasised by our cultural tribes as us vs them.
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Yes, we agree on your lack.
 
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Not within Permalink #6509, can we agree on your lack[ing].
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We've already impacted species more directly by displacing their natural environments and inserting our preferred species. It's disrupted life more than global warming has, or at least impacted them in a shorter period of time.
Humans and our livestock now outweigh wild land vertebrates 50:1.
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Access to super cheap, super dense, carbon energy for the last 70 years has caused a "Great Acceleration" in human development and allowed us to increase the scale and complexity of the current civilization far beyond the normal carrying capacity of the Earth. We are taking more than our share and are several decades into biological overshoot.
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A Laissez Faire free market cannot address this since there are no input signals to represent how much value a low entropy nonrenewable resource like Phosphorous or crude oil would have to someone in the future who no longer has enough to survive.
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Labor has no leverage ( it never really did) to demand a fair share of the social surplus it creates due to overpopulation, globalization, and automation. The owners of production are in the position to also take much more than their share and let the workers "eat cake" if they don't have enough food.
 
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The species from which we selectively bred cows, the aurochs, existed for millions of years, yes--until we drove them to extinction in 1627. But the aurochs' range was limited to Europe, and it did not exist in any population comparable to the sheer number of cows alive now, of which there are over 1 billion at any given time. (For comparison, there were only an estimated 30 million bison in North America before white settlers began hunting them. The modern cow population dwarfs the historic population of bovines, even when you combine various species on all continents).
This doesn't change the facts that I stated. Herbivores have SUNK carbon into the soil, by grazing and moving on; pushed on by carnivores. Their digestion has no effect on the carbon in the atmosphere.
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Darn that puts me at less than 4,000 feet above sea lever, better start looking for higher ground.
You will be affected by our climate crisis; along with everybody else.

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