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Old 03-30-2019, 05:59 PM   #5501 (permalink)
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I ran the numbers for only the electric grid portion of the 'Deal'.... Seems real doable.
That was the insidious part of it. Any one part sounded 'reasonable' but off the mark enough to attract comment (Cow farts. They don't fart, they belch and it can be controlled by adding seaweed to their diet. Nothingburger), but it was Part K or so (Crowder read the whole thing out, it took 16 minutes) where they proposed replacing the Union of the various States with a socialist Utopia.

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A coal-fired power plant requires 3.21847 times more Btus into the boiler than it gets out of the generator.
Yes. Total primary energy consumption is rated as thermal energy produced. So coal and nuclear produce about 1/3 of that into usable electricity. The heat would also be usable such as the new coal plant in Germany which will supply district heat to 60,000 homes. Gas plants are 50% and could also start using the waste heat since they can be built close in to cities.
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So if you multiply wind and solar by 3 you can say that the current levels of wind in the USA could conceivably replace 7% of energy and solar could replace .66%.
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But there are also other challenges involved with mass electrification of tasks that we currently use liquid fuel for ie farming, mining, transportation. We would also need Gigatons of batteries. Which are not very energy dense.
 
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In a way, diesel and unleaded gas that we use in ours cars is what is leftover from refining oil and taking out all the other products we rely on just as much as motor fuel. What saved the whales wasn't any Greenpeace campaign but the discovery ground petroleum products were just as good, more plentiful, and easier to produce. No need to kill whales. So if we don't produce any oil what about rubber, asphalt, plastics, modern fabrics, etc. Propane and fuel oil has to go too. Right now it's a perfect balance, if you remove just the transportation portion you still have to drill and refine just as much oil to provide the other products. You just end up with a lake of unused gasoline and the price of everything else rising to cover the waste gasoline.
 
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Now that the Green New Deal is in the rear-view mirror, the opportunity now is to implement Lamar Alexander's proposal for a Green Manhattan Project. That resonates much better than 'our World War II'.
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Idaho Power and Jackpot Holdings agreed on a 20 year deal construct a 120 MW solar plant to supply Idaho Power at $0,02175 per kWh...!
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/03...-price-record/

If that's possible, why does this not happen everywhere?
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Idaho Power and Jackpot Holdings agreed on a 20 year deal construct a 120 MW solar plant to supply Idaho Power at $0,02175 per kWh...!
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/03...-price-record/

If that's possible, why does this not happen everywhere?
Includes Federal $0.03/ kWh feed in bonus in the US.
 
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... which makes it more expensive than other electricity in the region. The company I was working for was the largest utilities consumer in every category for the county, and their cost for electricity was ~4 cents per kWh, plus demand charge.

Hope it works out for Idaho, in that they don't see rate hikes.
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Idaho Power and Jackpot Holdings agreed on a 20 year deal construct a 120 MW solar plant to supply Idaho Power at $0,02175 per kWh...!
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/03...-price-record/

If that's possible, why does this not happen everywhere?
Probability because it doesn't work at night.
Otherwise it's the obvious choice.
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... which makes it more expensive than other electricity in the region. The company I was working for was the largest utilities consumer in every category for the county, and their cost for electricity was ~4 cents per kWh, plus demand charge.

Hope it works out for Idaho, in that they don't see rate hikes.
No where that has had a large shift towards solar has seen lower rates.
At least with wind, rates seem to stay the same most of the time.

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