09-01-2019, 12:41 AM
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Not science as a whole, just the church of climatology.
They appear to be cult like.
They are defined by their beliefs. Yeah.
Share a common interest in a particular personality, object or goal. Ummmmm, check. Check. Check, check.
And the best way to tell when a group is a cult, you call them a cult and see how they react...
Check mate.
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09-01-2019, 09:17 AM
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You just described Big Oil not climate science.
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09-01-2019, 10:36 AM
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CalTech is working on an orbital space based solar electricity scheme using microwaves to transmit the power back to Earth with banks of millions of these 10 cm tiles. I am surprised to hear that most of the research in the USA and in China is still headed in this direction. Microwave power from orbit requires a 1:10 ratio of antenna diameter. To keep the energy levels on the ground to levels that are comparable with what we are exposed to from the sun (in case the aiming goes astray and starts shining on a city before we can shut it down), 0.75 GigaWatt requires a 1 km diameter assembly of these tiles in orbit, all aimed with micro radian precision, onto a 10 km receiving antenna on the ground. After learning about the scale of the antenna requirements versus the total power they could transmit, I was immediately convinced that transmitting via lasers would be much better and would make any future ground based standard solar panel installations forward compatible with just perhaps the inclusion of adjustable tilt and single axis tracking which are beneficial for maximizing sunlight anyway. https://youtu.be/KtNwYweL6hY
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09-01-2019, 11:23 AM
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Funny thing is that's the exact answer I would expect from a cult.
Total denial, then accuses their main antagonist as being a cult.
How long can you guys go with out blinking?
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09-01-2019, 03:01 PM
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CalTech is working on an orbital space based solar electricity scheme using microwaves to transmit the power back to Earth with banks of millions of these 10 cm tiles. I am surprised to hear that most of the research in the USA and in China is still headed in this direction. Microwave power from orbit requires a 1:10 ratio of antenna diameter. To keep the energy levels on the ground to levels that are comparable with what we are exposed to from the sun (in case the aiming goes astray and starts shining on a city before we can shut it down), 0.75 GigaWatt requires a 1 km diameter assembly of these tiles in orbit, all aimed with micro radian precision, onto a 10 km receiving antenna on the ground. After learning about the scale of the antenna requirements versus the total power they could transmit, I was immediately convinced that transmitting via lasers would be much better and would make any future ground based standard solar panel installations forward compatible with just perhaps the inclusion of adjustable tilt and single axis tracking which are beneficial for maximizing sunlight anyway. https://youtu.be/KtNwYweL6hY
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Reminds me of the short story "Reason" by Isaac Asimov. I read that while locked up.
...not sure how orbital solar collection is supposed to be more cost effective than ground based. It solves the predictability problem since there's no weather to contend with, but sending stuff into orbit has got to get a lot cheaper.
I wonder, do you have the solar collectors orbit on the vertical axis to earth, over the poles, so that they never encounter the shadow of earth?
What orbital height is ideal?
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09-01-2019, 03:09 PM
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Nobody in this forum talking about Amazon Florest burning.
Strange...
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09-01-2019, 04:26 PM
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Interesting, but it doesn't answer the question whether those concave collector strips are rigid or dynamically flexible. Power that's made in space should stay in space, until us petro-monkeys can be trusted.
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Nobody in this forum talking about Amazon Florest burning.
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Amazon Florest burning is strange... Yep.
Once the news came out about farmers burning their fields we went back to pointing at each other.
https://news.yahoo.com/climate-crisi...144019925.html
Nasa's Fire Information for Resource Management System shows more fires burning in sub-Saharan Africa than in the Amazon: Nasa
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09-01-2019, 04:55 PM
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I'm sure it will only be used for peaceful power generation.
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09-01-2019, 05:39 PM
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Funny thing is that's the exact answer I would expect from a cult.
Total denial, then accuses their main antagonist as being a cult.
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About every post of yours in this thread carries some kind of insult. You are not discussing, just trying to disrupt. I stop reading your posts from now on.
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09-01-2019, 06:16 PM
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Take the cost to put just 1kg on space.
Take to convertion efficience of IR laser to electricity, and als the loss from atmosphere.
No way, this idea would be thousand times more expensive than solar panels on surface.
Edited: Take also the fuel rockets needs to put a single solar cell on space. A rocket uses many tons of fuel to put small objects on space. This is, in relation, more energy than the cells of thousand solar panels on space would be able to generate in their lifespan.
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CalTech is working on an orbital space based solar electricity scheme using microwaves to transmit the power back to Earth with banks of millions of these 10 cm tiles. I am surprised to hear that most of the research in the USA and in China is still headed in this direction. Microwave power from orbit requires a 1:10 ratio of antenna diameter. To keep the energy levels on the ground to levels that are comparable with what we are exposed to from the sun (in case the aiming goes astray and starts shining on a city before we can shut it down), 0.75 GigaWatt requires a 1 km diameter assembly of these tiles in orbit, all aimed with micro radian precision, onto a 10 km receiving antenna on the ground. After learning about the scale of the antenna requirements versus the total power they could transmit, I was immediately convinced that transmitting via lasers would be much better and would make any future ground based standard solar panel installations forward compatible with just perhaps the inclusion of adjustable tilt and single axis tracking which are beneficial for maximizing sunlight anyway. https://youtu.be/KtNwYweL6hY
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