The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Seems like it could be adapted to wall building, make it mobile, like a rolling gantry crain and keep trucking in blocks.

Oh using school buses for grid backup only looks good on paper. Hooking up chargers wouldn't be that difficult but making a meaningful grid connection to provide power isn't .
To get a 1 or 2 megawatt grid connection would be a substantial power system. Unless the school bus depo was next to a sub station it will max out the local grid at around 1 megawatt. In grid scale 1 mega watt isn't that much.
For example where I work uses about 24 megawatts on average over the course of a day.
My small corner of town with many be a few thousand people uses 3 to 4 mega watts during the day.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

If you're referring to Medicare, it's way more complex than 1/3 the cost. That is operated at a loss and made up on everyone else with money. Many places stop taking Medicare and Medicaid because it doesn't make financial sense.

I'm not entirely opposed to a single payer medical system, because clearly ours isn't good. It isn't really a free market solution either, as the government incentives employers to offer health insurance, which should be illegal. It's insane to have insurance dependent on a particular employment. It should have always been individual, because it covers individuals. We don't have employer provided car insurance.

Without going too far into health insurance... there's nothing the government can do cheaper than the private sector. It's like Venezuela outlawing starvation. Nobody dies of starvation if you make it illegal to list that as a cause of death. Similarly, nobody can provide cheaper healthcare if you outlaw higher prices for 1 arbitrary group of people while allowing any price for everyone else. Sounds like an institutional ageist law to me. The very definition of institutional ageism. Why are we privatizing space transport if it's more expensive than government programs?.

That sounds about right. Everyone will be forced to buy "free healtcare" then none of the providers worth a dam will take it.

[redneck]

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Another idea for storage...
(May have been previously posted or discussed )


Compressed Air Storage



https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...grid#gs.1ra55u


And.


https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...rage#gs.1u8gr5


Utilizing existing infrastructure is key to cost. However, being properly located is key to feasibility...


It will take a multi faceted approach as there is no one “Silver Bullet”...


Interesting times we live in...





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[freebeard]

Originally Posted by greentechmedia

Another challenge with CAES derives from physics: If you reduce the volume of a gas, the procedure produces heat. You have to deal with that heat, and then find a way to reintroduce heat when you discharge the air to spin a turbine.

Traditional CAES facilities burn natural gas to heat the cold air as it gets pumped back out of the system, but Hydrostor wanted to keep its operation clean and self-contained. The designers threw in several types of thermal storage to catch the heat given off by the initial air compression and save it for use when the system discharges. Omitting natural-gas burn also makes it possible to slip into urban settings -- the only emission from the process is air.

They not sure what works? Are cables and pulleys as efficient as steel wheels on rails?

You notice they need water to cover it? https://duckduckgo.com/?q=compressed+air+storage+under+water

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QNwGuqh9O0

[redneck]

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Apparently the company she founded ended up failing after burning through
70 plus million dollars of investors money.


LightSail Energy Storage and the Failure of the Founder Narrative

A fish rots from the head down.

https://www.greentechmedia.com/squar...nder-narrative


Lies.

Fraud.

And poor appropriation of funds.


We’ve seen the same thing time after time and again and again...



Oh well...

There’s always next time...







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[freebeard]

I did not know that.

Flywheels?

Gravity?

Liquid metal batteries?

In other news: Episode 656 Scott Adams: All the Crazy People on Twitter Today, Hong Kong, Science

...here's an interesting but
preliminary scientific finding some
researchers were testing a drug that
they hoped would regenerate the thymus
gland so they're testing this new drug
and they accidentally discovered ... it reversed
people's epigenetic clock ...it means that out of cellular level you
got younger it actually reversed your
age it didn't just slow it down it
actually reversed it two and a half
years younger on average and it was
persistent they stayed that way I mean
until they naturally aged but now it was
a small group I think it was nine people
and they'd have to do a lot more testing
to find out how real that is but imagine
the change to society what would happen
to society if you stopped aging ... where in
your eighty year projections do you have
the assumption that people become
immortal because I've got a feel that
immortality would really have an effect
on oh say everything what happens if
you're immortal and robots are doing all
the work
well what happens if you're immortal and
we get fusion energy working in 80 years
there's a chance you know like most
things of this nature I would not trust
this to be true but it's a fun story

[sendler]

If you listen to financial news on the radio, you'll hear a daily report on economic growth, with dire predictions if it has slowed, and cheerful tones if growth appears to be rising.
Yet we know that endless economic growth is incompatible with life on a finite planet.
Jason Hickel's article on the promise and potential of degrowth is academic, and not easy reading, but important.
Here's a snippet:
"The core feature of degrowth economics is that it requires a progressive distribution of existing income. This inverts the usual political logic of growth. In their pursuit of improvements in human welfare, economists and policymakers often regard growth as a substitute for equality: it is politically easier to grow total income and expect that enough will trickle down to improve the lives of ordinary people than it is to distribute existing income more fairly, as this requires an attack on the interests of the dominant class. But if growth is a substitute for equality, then by the same logic equality can be a substitute for growth (Dietzand O’Neill, 2013)."
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https://mronline.org/2019/08/30/degr...SQF1ovFN7-8-kE
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[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I wasn't thinking energy storage when I saw this.



Might be able to build a lot of wall really tall really fast.

Do you have a link for any information on this?

Edit - it was posted later in thread: https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...ergy#gs.1qyw7e

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sendler

If you listen to financial news on the radio, you'll hear a daily report on economic growth, with dire predictions if it has slowed, and cheerful tones if growth appears to be rising.
Yet we know that endless economic growth is incompatible with life on a finite planet.
Jason Hickel's article on the promise and potential of degrowth is academic, and not easy reading, but important.
Here's a snippet:
"The core feature of degrowth economics is that it requires a progressive distribution of existing income. This inverts the usual political logic of growth. In their pursuit of improvements in human welfare, economists and policymakers often regard growth as a substitute for equality: it is politically easier to grow total income and expect that enough will trickle down to improve the lives of ordinary people than it is to distribute existing income more fairly, as this requires an attack on the interests of the dominant class. But if growth is a substitute for equality, then by the same logic equality can be a substitute for growth (Dietzand O’Neill, 2013)."
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https://mronline.org/2019/08/30/degr...SQF1ovFN7-8-kE
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O'Neill sounds like he doesn't understand life at all. Inequality (of wealth) doesn't come about by a dominant class, it comes about mostly by hierarchies of competence and risk taking. Absolutely every single thing you see in nature is characterized by inequality. The large trees get larger, planets accumulate unequal amounts of mass, energy from the sun gets distributed more along the equator and less at the poles, etc...

Degrowth would be a feature of redistributing wealth gained by the most competent and giving it, without merit, to the less competent. Of course that would be political suicide. There is a very small minority of people that truly understand that full socialism and massive economic loss go hand in hand. Perhaps a few people that advocate for Bernie understand this, but most everyone else is like that O'Neill character; not understanding the most fundamental basics of the universe, of hierarchies, and of wealth.

I agree that economic growth is unsustainable, and I agree that throwing a wrench in the machine by distributing wealth regardless of merit would be very effective. My position is that we should slow growth via voluntarily stabilizing population, not by throwing out meritocracy altogether.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

Do you have a link for any information on this?

Edit - it was posted later in thread: https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...ergy#gs.1qyw7e

There really wasn't much to tell. I thought the company had gone under. Later confirmed.

[redneck]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

There really wasn't much to tell. I thought the company had gone under. Later confirmed.

Actually, Energy Vault is the company that provided the picture that you posted and seems to be doing well.

https://energyvault.com/


Light Sail Energy Storage is the one that failed using compressed air.

Total and complete mismanagement with investors funds and never produced a working model.

I wonder where we’ve seen this before...???




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