The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

oil can 4 needs to move north to get its share. But, he'll have to dodge the perma-frost

Can you at least be consistent in your misgendering?

[litesong]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Methane requires a concentration of 50,000 ppm to explode, minimum. 16 is a long way off from that.

Ah, 16 ppm of atmospheric methane (9+ times more than the atmospheric average) doesn't bother you at all. Of course, that is the measurement, AFTER the bubbling methane from a continental shelf reaches the water surface & mixes with the atmosphere. Methane is being absorbed readily in the water column, & much methane doesn't reach the atmosphere to mix. Plenty of thawing submerged AND land-based perma-frosts are showing evidence of methane eruptions. Of course, trapped methane bubbles are readily exploded by researchers, showing ever increasing volatility.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Can you at least be consistent in your misgendering?

I thought "It" was using the word as an insult to refer to individuals as inanimate objects. You'll notice "It" doesn't refer to "It's" wife as such.

Often I wonder if that account is operated by an extreme right-wing group to subvert the extreme left by displaying how humorously inconsistent and illogical those ideologies are.

Originally Posted by litesong

Plenty of thawing submerged AND land-based perma-frosts are showing evidence of methane eruptions. Of course, trapped methane bubbles are readily exploded by researchers, showing ever increasing volatility.

Methane has a half-life of 7 years. What is the precise negative consequences of it being released?

[oil pan 4]

I don't do cold.
I lived in Maine for 4 years. Had my fill of snow.
When I saw that global warming will soon make snowy winters a thing of the past I was like I need to support this.
But it's just more wishful thinking and lies.

[freebeard]

Misgendering can apply to inanimate objects in German. Maybe other languages. https://duckduckgo.com/?q=inanimate+gender+in+

Often I wonder if that account is operated by an extreme right-wing group to subvert the extreme left by displaying how humorously inconsistent and illogical those ideologies are.

Called it at Permalink #6414 on 08-05-2019, 10:17 PM.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I don't do cold. I lived in Maine for 4 years. Had my fill of snow.

Worse than snow, is the excess atmospheric warming, which is causing the jet stream to waver & at times, reach to the south. With the jet stream to the south, Arctic cold, pressured by incoming warm fronts from the south, can move to lower latitudes. Case in point, in January 2009(?) the North Pole was very warm (between 5degC & 14degC over average), heated by said warm fronts. The far north Arctic cold was powered rapidly to the south, causing Maine's lowest ever recorded low temperature of -50degF.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Methane has a half-life of 7 years. What is the precise negative consequences of it being released?

From the beginning of release, methane molecules' AGW warming is 100 times greater than CO2. In the 7th year, methane molecule rate of warming is 23 times that over CO2. When atmospheric methane reaches 6ppm in Earth's atmosphere (a positive feedback of AGW), methane will warm Earth as much as CO2.

[redpoint5]

We're below 2 ppm methane. One source I read said it accounts for about 15% of warming due to greenhouse gases.

It's not nothing, but doesn't seem to be anywhere near the change we're seeing with CO2.

I've always wondered what the biologic impact of increasing CO2 concentrations would be. Our breathing reflex is triggered not by lack of oxygen, but from buildup of CO2 concentrations. Doubling that concentration must have some effect, even if small.

[redneck]

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Not very much.



Apocalypse Not: Climate Change Touting Mayors Stay Mum When Selling Bonds

https://www.breitbart.com/economy/20...selling-bonds/

How seriously do America’s big-city mayors take the risk of climate change?

It depends on when you ask them.

On most days, climate change is an “existential threat” requiring federal regulation, international accords, and–of course–a flood tide of federal funds into their city. But if you ask them on a day when their city is selling municipal bonds to investors, the forecast is suddenly much sunnier.

In a new report from the Government Accountability Institute, Peter Schweizer lays bare the climate change apocalypse hypocrisy that has city officials decrying global warming out of one side of their mouth while downplaying it in bond disclosures.

http://www.g-a-i.org/wp-content/uplo...estigation.pdf

READ THE REPORT...

Politicians in many American coastal cities pull no punches about the threats posed by rising sea levels due to climate change. At times they even seem to read from the same script, repeating the phrase “existential threat” to describe the rising sea levels that menace their ports and coastlines.

But when they authorize selling municipal bonds to pay for local development, do they mention any of these risks to investors? Bonds are rated and their coupon interest rates are determined by financial officials in these cities who must disclose all significant risks to the value of the bonds, by law. Do bonds floated by cities at the greatest risks from climate change pay higher interest than bonds from cities at no risk?

Often, the answer is no.

New York City
Boston
Miami
New Orleans
California
Honolulu
Seattle

It is no shock that so many city and state leaders who campaign for office on promises to battle the “existential threat” of sea level rise and climate change quietly change their tune when selling bond issues to pay for new and expanded development. But it is true that these disclosure statements are legally binding while campaign promises are not. That these leaders are careful not to highlight these risks in such legal documents certainly suggests that they do not really believe the problem is as pressing as they claim in their stump speeches.

The clear implication of this is that not only do bond-issuing city and state leaders not credit their own, sometimes dire, rhetoric, but the analysts, underwriters, and institutional buyers discount it as well.
It is business as usual for both sellers and buyers, and the bonds are bought and sold as though the threat of sea level rise and catastrophic flooding caused by runaway climate change were not really a consideration.

The money is still flowing...

And finally...
NSFW

[NeilBlanchard]

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