The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

I don't know what to make of that but it won't bother me. If you doubt clear: bye.

I read it as a threat.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

My experts are the ones in the ipcc who say they world isn't going to end in 12 years.

• Fuller
• José Argüelles
• Frei_Otto
• Antoni Gaudí
• Ben Davidson
• Eric Dollard

Leaving out a few of the obvious ones, like Nicola Tesla, Viktor Schauberger, Plato...
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Vee:Baby survives parents suicide pact over global warming

[redpoint5]

There's some logic to the counter, that consumption per capita is the proper focus, as those individuals would have a larger share of responsibility for the problem.

But, imagine a country comprised of 1 person that has 1000x more per capita consumption than another country. It's still not worth focusing as much attention on because it's less overall consumption than other countries.

So, I think there is probably more logic devoting more attention to countries with overall larger emissions than the ones with overall fewer emissions. After all, the environment doesn't care who's culpable, it only responds to overall emissions.

[ME_Andy]

I'm not a AOC fan or a Greta fan, at all.

What motivates me is that Austin, Texas used to average 14 days over 100*F per year. This was a long-term average going back to the 1800s. This year, we're at 56 so far. Last year, it was 51 days over 100. It's going to be a desert at this rate.

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

My experts are the ones in the ipcc who say they world isn't going to end in 12 years.

Glad you mentioned the IPCC.

Nobody says the world is ending in 12 years. 'Cept some religious nutjob somewhere.

The IPCC's work and your position are quite different. Are you sure you have read their material?

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by redneck

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Need some help.

I’m having a hard time finding when Greta is scheduled to go to the #1
CO2 and pollution generating country in the world, China...

If and when Greta goes to China, I’m sure Xi will welcome her with open arms and will televise her visit to his fellow countryman as she lectures and admonishes him, the government, and the Chinese people for being the worst polluters in the world with no end in sight.

Oh, and while your at it.

I need the dates for the #2 polluting country India as well...

Thanks...

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Did she not leapfrog all that by going to the U.N.?

These young women are speaking truth to power, truth to authority, truth to the establishment, and the way you tough guys quickly devolved it to personal attacks tells me:

You are scared of them.

The neo-con talking points are providing this narrative.


Is this what Breibart says about it?

[Frank Lee]

Originally Posted by freebeard

So, four major groups? Thanks, it's hard for me to distinguish the various posters. I read them all in the same voice. It's all jibber-jabber to me. But let me address the third group:

That's the thing it is new information.

The most productive dinner conversation I've had in decades included the grandchildren of a guy I went to high school (and worked at the feed & seed company) with. Instead of the usual intrafamily squabbling, I led with 'don't believe the teenagers, the world won't end in ten years'. And they went right down the space weather rabbit-hole with me. The mom said she'd never heard they talk about it before. I said nobody was talking about it four years ago, and they hadn't absorb the old way of thinking.

Silent Spring, 1962. A book that jumpstarted public concerns about the environment.

Earth Day 1970. Big media coverage. Prompted Nixon to form the EPA. 49 years ago.

Exxon was a leader in climate change research, producing many papers. 1977 acknowledged fossil fuel's role. Publicly produced denier propaganda after that.

IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel On Climate Change). Formed 1988. 31 years ago.

A quick little overview of the history of climate change studies: https://www.environmentalscience.org...climate-change

I know, I know. It's not as compelling as professional ball-chasing statistics. And reproducing takes much time and energy. It's only about the planet after all.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by Fingie

.... imagine the demands on natural resources we would have in the world, if everyone were as rich as the "average" westerner

CEO's only give bonus, retirement & stock option packages to the one's who get closest to the money & can rake-off their unfair share of the profits, earned by the scientists, technologists, inventors, secretaries, blue collars & minimum wagers.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

Glad you mentioned the IPCC.

Nobody says the world is ending in 12 years. 'Cept some religious nutjob somewhere.

The IPCC's work and your position are quite different. Are you sure you have read their material?

Their conservative trends seem agreeable on this latest report.
Right now I'm reading their latest 1170 page report right now.
Lots of cherry picking, some invalid sample sizes and a little hyperbole that the retards like AOC blow way out of proportion.
No one saying anything that would indicate the planet will be much more hostile even going out 300 years even with the cherry picking.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Lots of cherry picking and invalid sample sizes.....

........ by AGW deniers.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by litesong

........ by AGW deniers.

The IPCC is trying to pass cherry picked 9 year time frames as "climate change".
The more liberal definitions of climate change i can find say climate change is what takes place over decades, not less than a decade.
Their words, not mine.
I just said I agree with their trends. How is that a being a denier?