The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Looks like half of artic warming between 1955 and 2005 was caused by CFCs, not plant food.
https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/oz...med-the-earth/
It was also published in BBC so it's probably real.

Rumor has it that the communist chinese are back to making construction foam with R-11 for their domestic market.
If the chicoms are blowing off R-11 to make foam then there isn't anything we can do to slow global warming.
Planting trees and making bio char is just busy work.

[freebeard]

Looks like half of [Ant]arctic warming between 1955 and 2005 was caused by CFCs

I was reminded of your post when I listened to Scott Adams Episode 799 just now. He can really be infuriating when he acts all authoritative on the climate; while showing no knowledge about the advances in sensor technology (GOES 16) and the data release ahead of the IPCC's upcoming report.

OTOH his interview with Clearview.ai investor David Scalzo yesterday, tells me it's time to break down and get a smartphone because the police are just the early adopters, soonish everyone will be walking around with this in their pocket.

What David Brin calls sousveillance: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Transparent_Society

As for the Chi-coms, bat soup may have been a distraction from the fact that China's lost 40% of their pig population already.

Edit:
Oopsie!

Another Obama Solar Company Burns Out – DC Solar Owners Plead Guilty to Largest Ponzi Scheme in Eastern California History

[oil pan 4]

They don't need no advances in technology as its settled science so old instruments and 24 year old sun studies are quite alright.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Thought it was settled science. 2 years ago cows were destroying the climate.

You are conflating things. Factory farming - what we are doing now - does cause a large portion of climate change. Artificial nitrogen fertilizer ends up as nitrous oxide - which is about 8X stronger a greenhouse gas as methane.

Cows that eat grass is what can help save the climate, by SINKING carbon into the soil.

You need to learn science.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

You are conflating things. Factory farming - what we are doing now - does cause a large portion of climate change. Artificial nitrogen fertilizer ends up as nitrous oxide - which is about 8X stronger a greenhouse gas as methane.

Cows that eat grass is what can help save the climate, by SINKING carbon into the soil.

You need to learn science.

You guys need to get your story straight and stick to it.

[freebeard]

You need to learn science.

You guys need to get your story straight and stick to it.

Can't we all just get a bong modded into oblivion?

Cows are good/bad/neutral depending on you sovereign perspective.

Good because they shrink deserts, bad because they fart and belch, neutral because they may feed us and upholster our finest automobiles OR they may be revered as deities and free-load their way through life.

[NeilBlanchard]

You may not understand how things work.

Answer me this: cattle have existed for millions of years - did they cause the climate to warm up all that time?

If you think they did - then how does it do that?

[redpoint5]

Cattle have not existed on farms for millions of years. We've genetically modified nearly everything we farm to yield more of what we want, either through breeding those desirable traits, or by genetic engineering.

We have this absurd assumption that nature is perfect and good for humans, meanwhile doing everything we can to avoid being subjected to the cruelty of nature. Whether or not something is natural, has existed for a long time or not, is "organic" or not... has nothing to do with how beneficial it might be to humans.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard

You may not understand how things work.

Answer me this: cattle have existed for millions of years - did they cause the climate to warm up all that time?

If you think they did - then how does it do that?

I understand how liars work.

I never said cattle cause global warming. That was the believer narrative 2 years ago. Not my fault believers have so many skeletons in your closet from failed predictions and changing naratives.

[freebeard]

You may not understand how things work.

Answer me this: [hypothetical]?

If you think they did - then how does it do that?

ELSE you could just do your own homework and type fer'instance: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=per+cent+of+animals+cattle

60% of All Mammals on Earth Are Livestock, Says New Study
https://www.livekindly.co/60-of-all-...ays-new-study/
May 28, 2018The study also revealed that 70 percent of all birds on Earth are farmed poultry, leaving a mere 30 percent to be wild. However, the percentage of wild mammals was far and few between; 60 percent of the mammals on Earth are livestock (predominantly cattle and pigs), 36 percent are humans, and just four percent of the living mammals on the planet are wild animals.

Humans and Big Ag Livestock Now Account for 96 Percent of ...
https://www.ecowatch.com/biomass-hum...571413930.html
May 23, 2018Humans account for about 36 percent of the biomass of all mammals. Domesticated livestock, mostly cows and pigs, account for 60 percent, and wild mammals for only 4 percent. The same holds true for birds.

That's the first two sources, at your tingerfips. But remember, we're outnumbered by [farting] termites.