The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[oil pan 4]

Children will one day sing songs about the church of global warming burning down.

[aerohead]

When I was in the Netherlands,in 1997,according to CBS' 60-MINUTES,it was the last year for Holland's annual,national,120-mile, ice-skating event to be held at home.Due to global warming,they've had to travel 750-miles south to Austria in order to to find enough ice in which to hold the event.No mention of the carbon footprint for the thousands of participants traveling on the 1,500-mile round trip.

[redpoint5]

Well, humanity going extinct in 12 years wasn't enough motivation, but Dutch people being forced to travel to their skating event is an outrage.

I bet Oregonians burned at least 10% less natural gas this winter as it was so mild.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Well, humanity going extinct in 12 years wasn't enough motivation, but Dutch people being forced to travel to their skating event is an outrage.

I bet Oregonians burned at least 10% less natural gas this winter as it was so mild.

The U.S.Drought Monitor said you guys have had some precipitation issues as well.

[oil pan 4]

You say global warming is drying everything out, Neal says it will get wetter.
And there lies part of the problem.

[redpoint5]

The net global precipitation will increase in a more energetic climate. Cycling more fresh water should be a net benefit, even at the short-term consequence of disrupting patterns of precipitation we've adapted to.

...as an aside, I've always felt it was a great waste that the Army corps of engineers spills the water from Detroit lake the day after Labor Day. Presumably they do this to be more prepared to control flooding if they get extreme rainfall. I'd rather see the turbines cranking at 100% capacity to draw the water levels down. I wonder how many kWh are spilled, and what percentage that represents compared to what is produced in a year?

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

The net global precipitation will increase in a more energetic climate. Cycling more fresh water should be a net benefit, even at the short-term consequence of disrupting patterns of precipitation we've adapted to.

...as an aside, I've always felt it was a great waste that the Army corps of engineers spills the water from Detroit lake the day after Labor Day. Presumably they do this to be more prepared to control flooding if they get extreme rainfall. I'd rather see the turbines cranking at 100% capacity to draw the water levels down. I wonder how many kWh are spilled, and what percentage that represents compared to what is produced in a year?

Got a total as to how much water they release and the approximate hight that it falls.
I love hydroelectric power, it's so dam predictable.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

You say global warming is drying everything out, Neal says it will get wetter.
And there lies part of the problem.

From what I understand,the warming will drive evaporation,increasing available water vapor.The warming Arctic will deform the polar jet,which will,in turn,deform the Jet Stream,which will affect the hemispheric distribution of moisture.Some areas might experience drought and desertification,while other regions experience atmospheric rivers,massive rain events,blizzards,flooding and whatnot.
Of great concern for some will be,early snowmelt,and the turning off of area streams,rivers and lakes. I don't think the regional stuff like this can be modeled accurately at annual timescales.Dicey!

[freebeard]

Today' Features Links:
Geomag Max in Mesopotamia: .sciencedirect.com/science:Analysis of geomagnetic field intensity variations in Mesopotamia during the third millennium BC with archeological implications
Amazon to Disappear? .bangor.ac.uk: The Amazon rainforest could be gone within a lifetime

Eyes open. No fear. Be safe everyone.

Droughts at solar maximums. Prolly one more solar cycle before the minimum.

More interesting to me is that there is more material in the Cosmic Web than in the 'little' points of light that populate it. And that web exhibits as much intelligence as slime molds.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Droughts at solar maximums. Prolly one more solar cycle before the minimum.

More interesting to me is that there is more material in the Cosmic Web than in the 'little' points of light that populate it. And that web exhibits as much intelligence as slime molds.

The Chaco Canyon/Yucatan Peninsula drought persisted for 4-solar cycles,which makes a solar explanation problematic.The Shahal region drought has been going for thousands of years.