The climate change movement: July 28, 1995 to August 14, 2020 RIP

[freebeard]

Do the projections factor in population collapse?

[Piotrsko]

Do you anticipate population collapse?


Btw, there's 2 escape capsules, 1 russian, 1 US. Both will mostly contain the entire crew and they can boost another up relatively quickly

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by Piotrsko

Do you anticipate population collapse?


Btw, there's 2 escape capsules, 1 russian, 1 US. Both will mostly contain the entire crew and they can boost another up relatively quickly

We're seeing the end of nations centered around race, being temporarily propped up by immigration. All nations cannot be propped up by immigration, because people have to come from somewhere.

The only places with positive growth rates are so poor, that gettin' frisky is still an interesting thing people can do for free, and religious communities that impose a moral hierarchy.

Population will decline until it doesn't. It's only in cities that people think there's too many of us and there's scarce resources. If cities shrink and disperse, the thought that there's plenty of space to raise future generations occurs to people again.

[freebeard]

Do you anticipate population collapse?

I will never have even a single grandchild, so my opinion is possibly skewed.

https://www.livescience.com › worlds-population-could-plummet-to-six-billion-by-the-end-of-the-century-new-study-suggests
World's population could plummet to 6 billion by the end of the century ...
Mar 30, 2023
For instance, in 2022, the United Nations estimated that the world population would reach 9.7 billion by 2050 and rise to 10.4 billion by 2100. U.N. estimates from a decade ago suggested the ...

https://www.nytimes.com › 2021 › 05 › 22 › world › global-population-shrinking.html
Long Slide Looms for World Population, With Sweeping Ramifications
May 22, 2021 The global population saw its greatest increase in known history, from 1.6 billion in 1900 to 6 billion in 2000, as life spans lengthened and infant mortality declined.

What we have here is a global idiocracy. Moving populations around on a single planet is not a winning move. Moving large populations offplanet is infeasable.

Like Bucky Fuller said, it's Utopia or Oblivion.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I believe that is the most probable outcome as well. There's no IPCC projections showing that to lead to Venus warming though. All scientific opinions on what the ideal temperature would be are specific to their area of expertise. For instance, an entomologist will have a different answer for the ideal global temperature based on what they know of malaria-carrying mosquito habitats. That opinion ignores a holistic view.

I'm always asking, and never getting an answer to my question;

Considering that humanity has flourished tremendously due to continual warming from the depths of the current ice age, at what point in time is the ideal warmth level for human flourishing?

So far, every measure of human flourishing suggests we haven't surpassed the ideal warmth level yet.

The climate scientists would probably tell you that the ideal atmospheric greenhouse gas concentration would be the question you should be asking about.
Everything on Earth evolved for the atmosphere which existed around 150-years ago. That would be today's target.
I don't know what 'human flourishing' means. It's never mentioned in the media.
I must suppose that you've cut yourself off from all reliable, bona-fide information sources which might have informed your worldview.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

We're seeing the end of nations centered around race, being temporarily propped up by immigration. All nations cannot be propped up by immigration, because people have to come from somewhere.

The only places with positive growth rates are so poor, that gettin' frisky is still an interesting thing people can do for free, and religious communities that impose a moral hierarchy.

Population will decline until it doesn't. It's only in cities that people think there's too many of us and there's scarce resources. If cities shrink and disperse, the thought that there's plenty of space to raise future generations occurs to people again.

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is instructive.
The ability for any population to exist is fundamentally undergirded by the presence of physiological needs being met:
* Water
* Food
* Shelter
* Bare necessities
which are disappearing for hundreds of millions of those who can do little or nothing to change their immediate circumstances. Which will become billions.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Everything on Earth evolved for the atmosphere which existed around 150-years ago. That would be today's target.

Everything alive today, is adapted to the environment today, by definition.

Faith that the ideal CO2 concentration was magically 150 years ago, back when it was barely enough to support photosynthesis, is the magical thinking.

Originally Posted by aerohead

Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs is instructive.
The ability for any population to exist is fundamentally undergirded by the presence of physiological needs being met:
* Water
* Food
* Shelter
* Bare necessities
which are disappearing for hundreds of millions of those who can do little or nothing to change their immediate circumstances. Which will become billions.

I question where you get your "news", because humanity has been defeating poverty at an accelerating rate for the past 150 years. That would be considered an aspect of human flourishing.

People are worse off because of CO2 is fake news.

https://worldpoverty.io/

[freebeard]

I don't know what 'human flourishing' means. It's never mentioned in the media.

"It can't be true or I'd have seen it on the evening news."

Try a reliable source like Buckminster Fuller: "Wealth is a measure of a person's ability to survive so many days forward."

[freebeard]

October surprise?

Asteroid impact in 4 months?! Worse than Apophis, NASA is powerless to stop these threats!

[Piotrsko]

What about all the unknown rocks we haven't found yet? My understanding is that all these discoveries are serendipitous and pretty much in our orbital plane. Don't know of any entering at a large oblique angle to our orbit