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The last species of human that tolerated cold well was the Neanderthal. The following species had to figure out protective clothing.
Latest theory is that Neanderthal societies got absorbed instead of dying out.
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That's what was reported on PBS' NOVA.
Our immune system is credited to the Neanderthal, and a specific region of Spain has the highest genetic concentration of Neanderthal DNA today, @ 4%, compared to the global average of around 2.8%.
We're 99.9% Chimpanzee, which will be extinct before 2100 in Western Africa.
For the first time, they've been observed descending into caves during the heat of the day, where it's up to 23-degrees cooler than up on the surface.
But the anticipated warming, even with the 'caves', is going to kill all of them.
146 people have died of heat death in Phoenix so far this year.
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09-09-2024, 12:44 PM
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You're protected under the 1st Amendment, and free to speak your mind, but you're also free to be completely wrong about what you believe, and will find it impossible to find any observable scientific evidence to support your hypothesis.
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I have no stake in what the truth is, so I don't care if The Science and I am wrong, however, the science evidence I'm finding suggests humanity originated in Africa based on teeth fossils found.
If you have a better theory and evidence to support it, then I'd be interested to know.
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The last species of human that tolerated cold well was the Neanderthal. The following species had to figure out protective clothing.
Latest theory is that Neanderthal societies got absorbed instead of dying out.
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Makes sense considering some percent of the population (I think like 5%) have DNA linking them to Neanderthals.
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09-09-2024, 01:18 PM
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I have no stake in what the truth is, so I don't care if The Science and I am wrong, however, the science evidence I'm finding suggests humanity originated in Africa based on teeth fossils found.
If you have a better theory and evidence to support it, then I'd be interested to know.
Makes sense considering some percent of the population (I think like 5%) have DNA linking them to Neanderthals.
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The DNA has proven conclusively that Africa is the cradle of human civilization, and narrowed down to a single surviving tribe.
Your argument about 'heat', rather than 'cold' cannot be supported though.
Heat's a killer. Directly, and indirectly.
And without 'technology', the natural carrying capacity of the planet is estimated at only about 100,000,000 souls.
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09-09-2024, 01:31 PM
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7) For about $25 you could get a used TV, and 'tune in' to reality.
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An idiot box? I have friends who watch TV daily. Unfortunately they are the most misinformed people I know. They watch the network news.
https://www.youtube.com/user/NOVAonline
The out of Africa theory is supported by Zecharia Sichin's translation of Sumerian cuneiform.
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09-09-2024, 02:29 PM
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Your argument about 'heat', rather than 'cold' cannot be supported though.
Heat's a killer. Directly, and indirectly.
And without 'technology', the natural carrying capacity of the planet is estimated at only about 100,000,000 souls.
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- I have some evidence, such as the fact that human numbers were miniscule at the peak of this current ice age, and rapidly increased as things thawed.
- We have a biological mechanism to deal with excessive heat through perspiration and evaporation. We do not have a biological mechanism to contend long-term with insufficient heat, and much energy is wasted during brief periods of hypothermia. It's a tough thing to be a hairless ape in an ice age.
- Expending energy for warmth demands more calories, and obtaining more calories demands a plan to have those calories when they are most scarce; during winter weather.
- Hypothermia has and still does kill more people every year than hyperthermia.
- The bulk of the human population exists closer to the equator than the poles, suggesting a preference to warmer climates.
- Finally, the fact that humanity originated from Africa suggests our species is better suited to those environments.
The consilience of these facts strongly supports my hypothesis that humanity is biologically adapted to warmer climates compared to colder ones.
As you point out, it's technology that allows humanity to exist in all climates and have prolific numbers.
20,000 years ago during this glacial maximum, there might have been 1 million living humans
"Current era: About 10% of the land area is covered by glaciers, ice caps, and ice sheets (National Snow and Ice Data Center, 2017).
Last Ice Age (20,000-10,000 years ago): Approximately 30% of the land on Earth was covered by glaciers (WorldAtlas, 2018).
During the most active period of the last ice age (around 20,000 years ago): Around 50% of the land on Earth was covered by glaciers (Tamara Pico’s study, 2023).
Historically: Permanent ice has only existed on Earth for about 20% of the planet’s history, during periods of icehouse climate (Earth Science Stack Exchange, 2023)."
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09-10-2024, 09:33 AM
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Here's a good one.
https://futurism.com/the-byte/starsh...ole-atmosphere
"It means we don't understand processes which take place in the atmosphere," Yasyukevich told Nature. Let that be food for thought.
It's not very often scientists show their hand they've been over playing.
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09-11-2024, 03:51 PM
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Yep, see tags.
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The weather forecast is looking like no more AC use this year. I've got an irrational goal to not run the heat until Nov 1. Perhaps global warming can help me achieve that goal.
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