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freebeard · 08-01-2023, 01:51 AM

AI reproduces the biases of the training set, in new and novel ways. The programmers don't know what it will come up with.

redpoint5 · 08-01-2023, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr

How could we be sure a so-called artificial "intelligence" would never reproduce the biases of its creators/programmers?

It would, by definition.

The AI model is defining what is "good" and what is "bad". It randomly makes many decisions and evaluates if the outcome achieved "good" or "bad". After many iterations, it develops a framework for what is "good" and what is "bad".

The programmed good and bad is all that AI is.

This is the basis for all of the dystopian fiction that imagines AI taking "good" to an extreme, to the exclusion of everything else that we failed to incorporate as good.

cRiPpLe_rOoStEr · 08-02-2023, 02:49 AM

It's a much more complex deal than what is shown by the media and the AI developers.

Piotrsko · 08-02-2023, 10:50 AM

And science fiction is rife with examples of "good" turning out to be rather evil in intent

freebeard · 08-02-2023, 01:32 PM

Science fiction and Presidentiai runs.

freebeard · 08-02-2023, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by redpoint5

The AI model is defining what is "good" and what is "bad". It randomly makes many decisions and evaluates if the outcome achieved "good" or "bad". After many iterations, it develops a framework for what is "good" and what is "bad".

Here ya go: Finetuning Llama 2 in your own cloud environment, privately

There won't be a monolithic bias, you can roll your own. I followed this for the first half, until Unpacking the recipe.

redpoint5 · 08-02-2023, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by freebeard

Here ya go: Finetuning Llama 2 in your own cloud environment, privately

There won't be a monolithic bias, you can roll your own. I followed this for the first half, until Unpacking the recipe.

The problem is the Pareto Principle will play out, with AIs having a small initial advantage iterating rapidly and eliminating competition.

It's going to kill the 1st amendment either directly (we will be brainwashed into thinking freedom of speech is not worth it), or indirectly (shadow banned, etc).

The same mechanism is what causes everyone to use Google despite them being evil. Sure, there are alternatives and a handful of people use them, but it's insignificant.

freebeard · 08-02-2023, 07:30 PM

'The-glass-is-a-quarter-full'? So long as 4Chan is there, there is hope. And the EFF:

boingboing.net/2023/08/02: Cory Doctorow's new book on beating big tech at its own game

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The book presents an array of policy solutions aimed at dismantling the monopolistic power of Big Tech, making the internet a more open and user-focused space. Key among these solutions is the concept of interoperability, which would allow users to take their apps, data, and content with them when they decide to leave a service, thus reducing the power of tech platforms.

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Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.

The Internet Con isn't just an analysis of where en****tification comes from: it's a detailed, shovel-ready policy prescription for halting en****tification, throwing it into reverse and bringing back the old, good internet.

**** Thank you, Mods.

redpoint5 · 08-02-2023, 08:03 PM

Hey, I learned new terminology.

All results are dependent on the will of the people. The people like crappy things. That's why we have Facebook and not Myspace.

Whatever is the least effort, and maximizes the offloading of agency to something else is what people will choose.

So, we'll have AI that feeds us lies, because it will be easier. The machines aren't going to forcefully insert us into the Matrix, we're going to impatiently ask how soon we can reserve a spot.

freebeard · 08-02-2023, 11:20 PM

Where are we going and why are we in this handbasket?

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https://www.reddit.com › r › InsightfulQuestions › comments › kgk4rr › do_you_think_its_true_that_90_of_everything_is
Do you think it's true that "90% of everything is crap"? AKA ... - Reddit
Sturgeon's law (or Sturgeon's revelation) is an adage that states that "ninety percent of everything is crap." The reason I think it's so interesting is because it ties in with the Pareto Principle, which is claims that: for many outcomes roughly 80% of consequences come from 20% of the causes (the "vital few").

Sturgeon the Revelator.

This whole Excluded Middle thing bothers me. No room for nuance -- "yer either wit us or again' us". It's been said that sometimes people can't tell good news from bad.

AI is doing wonders for 3D printed shelf brackes.