Coal power

[aerohead]

' neighbors loaned me their Nov / Dec issue of Mother Jones, with a lengthy article on carbon sequestration.
Presently, to avert going over 1.5-C, and with available technology, to remove the anticipated real-time, coal-fired , and natural-gas-fired, power plant carbon dioxide emissions, plus remove the anthropogenic carbon already in the atmosphere, would require $ eleven-trillion/ year, for the next 79-years, at $ 869-trillion total cost. ( US Dollars )
We can do it with trees, if we're willing to get rid of 80% of all current agricultural production. A hard sell.
PS
UNESCO just reported that some of the World Heritage Site forests are now, net carbon emitters, releasing more carbon than capturing, as a consequence of over two decades of drought and wildfires around the globe.
Have a nice day.

[freebeard]

We can do it with trees, if we're willing to get rid of 80% of all current agricultural production. A hard sell.

Now you can see why pre-Columbian South America was a vast orchard. Win-win.

Also, not trees, vast sea-going greenhouses in the Saragasso Gyre.

Sargasso Sea
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...the anticipated real-time, coal-fired , and natural-gas-fired, power plant carbon dioxide emissions, plus remove the anthropogenic carbon already in the atmosphere, would require...

What worst is using that electricity to make concrete. ..cities that stand empty because they were built in a command economy.

What we need is a Little Ice Age, right?

[oil pan 4]

If wind and solar are the cheapest then why does it seem like a good portion of the world, china where most of the worlds solar panels are made plus a heck of a lot of wind turbines, India and Germany are running not walking back to coal?

Also PNM is still fighting for that 14.4% rate increase so they can add more supposedly "cheaper wind and solar".

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

If wind and solar are the cheapest then why does it seem like a good portion of the world, china where most of the worlds solar panels are made plus a heck of a lot of wind turbines, India and Germany are running not walking back to coal?

Also PNM is still fighting for that 14.4% rate increase so they can add more supposedly "cheaper wind and solar".

I'd need to see the data for one thing.
Seems like those with an affinity for, or economic ties to fossil fuels, have frustrated efforts by school boards to educate the general population. If the kids can't learn it, they can't go home and teach their parents, whom I'm pretty certain, never received any formal education about energy.
If you don't have the information you can't have the knowledge. Without knowledge you don't have a working democracy. Which is really good for keeping things just the way they are. And is right now, exactly what Big Oil is trying to defend themselves against indictments for, in front of Congress.
If the billionaire PNM shareholders have to start paying income tax, your rate increase will vanish.
Maybe a crisis was the agenda. We're so attached to mindless consumption, it's actually painful if we actually have to think before we act. Scare people away from renewables, on the threat of anything you can think up, and buy additional decades of sales, for a pittance in propaganda expenses. Brilliant!
According to some lobbyists, then, $ 869-trillion from the taxpayers is cheaper than $ 3-trillion from the taxpayers.
Obviously, $ 3-trillion, and 28.3-cents/ day/ per capita, over 10-years is clearly more expensive than $ 11-trillion, and 1,037.66-cents / day /per capita, over 79-years.
It's the new math! How you you melt down the entire global economy, for love of boilers and pistons.
When I was 'engineering' I paid 23.8% federal income tax. Certainly 15% is too much for a billionaire.

[oil pan 4]

I have an applied science degree for wind and solar power generation.
So I have the knowledgeand experience.
I don't need a teacher with a socal justice degree teaching my kid a green washed bs version of wind and solar generation and lies about nuclear power.
Artificially picking winners and losers is going to guarantee energy poverty and scarcity for all but the rich.
I pay 8 cents a kwh now, what ever PNM was doing has been working, what ever they are doing now isn't working as well.
Lucky for us the democrats came to their senses and dropped almost all the new green deal bs from the spending bill.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I have an applied science degree for wind and solar power generation.
So I have the knowledgeand experience.
I don't need a teacher with a socal justice degree teaching my kid a green washed bs version of wind and solar generation and lies about nuclear power.
Artificially picking winners and losers is going to guarantee energy poverty and scarcity for all but the rich.

This can also be applied to the EV-only approach taken by some politicians who can afford to pick a different EV at each location they arrive by chartered flight.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Lucky for us the democrats came to their senses and dropped almost all the new green deal bs from the spending bill.

It's called the Big Ask. Inflate your demands and then 'settle' for what you really wanted.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by freebeard

It's called the Big Ask.

I used to call it "the goat on the lounge".

[oil pan 4]

I was reading an article that says if Australia wants to go mostly electric vehicle they have to keep their coal power plants unless they are willing to go nuclear, which they arent.
Oh the irony.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Nuke might have its potential, yet it's far from being dumbproof at all. AFAIK the nuclear emergency response unit attached to a Brazilian Navy hospital in Rio de Janeiro at the same time the Angra 1 nuclear powerplant was built, had only been used once in response to an incident not even related to the Angra powerplants.