Cosmic Catastrophe

[freebeard]

The anti-nova cited is an exemplar, the claim is that it was observed at the local star in recorded memory. Mostly at the beginning of recorded history,

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

aerohead -- Looks like your catching up in the thread. The way the Bible describes it, the Sun turns black, as a shell of materials is ejected and by the time it reaches Earth it's turned into major impactors that were thought to be cyclic asteroid rains. That doesn't fit the facts.

At 1:59 He uses the expression 'cools and congeals' to describe it.

Anyone on Earth, who's witnessed a solar eclipse, understands that for the Sun to 'blacken' the ejecta coming from the Sun's ecliptic 'equator' would have to be as large as the Sun itself.
And it would just have to coincide with the Sun/ Earth intercept periodicy, with Earth rotating every 24-hours, and the Sun, every 26-days.
Since the ejecta would follow a radial path, it's constituent parts would be self-diluting themselves as 1- divided by the square of the distance between Sun and Earth. Or, one, divided by 93,000,000 X 93,000,000, compared to the radius of the Sun, in miles.
A mouse fart on a cotton ball by the time it reaches us.
Astrophysicists HAVE observed star flares, that had they been on the Sun could have sterilized all life on Earth. It's not actionable information though. At 1,937,500-mph, they'd be here in short time, and there' no where to go.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

That would require that they have magnification, which didn't exist, and a hydrogen-alpha filter, which didn't exist.

So you're saying they couldn't have possibly been able to see it so it didn't happen?
Yeah great answer from the guy who likes to ignore observation.

[freebeard]

The micronova ejecta might follow a spherical path. S0 has reported recently on a 'kilo-nova' observed, that likely destroyed the star, but surely any planets it may have had. Our Sun has instead, recurrent micro-novae.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Why does that lightning strike look like a 50bmg incendiary round hit that pipe line?

Entry wound of a fulgurite.

Fulgurites are natural tubes, clumps, or masses of sintered, vitrified, and/or fused soil, sand, rock, organic debris and other sediments that sometimes form when lightning discharges into ground. Fulgurites are classified as a variety of the mineraloid lechatelierite.Wikipedia

What's new lately with lightning is that the once rare ground-to-sky bolts are becoming more common. The Earth's magnetic field is all twisted.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

So you're saying they couldn't have possibly been able to see it so it didn't happen?
Yeah great answer from the guy who likes to ignore observation.

1) if it had happened, there'd be no life as we know it. Including the Israelites who wrote it.

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Anyone on Earth, who's witnessed a solar eclipse, understands that for the Sun to 'blacken'.

Originally Posted by aerohead

1) if it had happened, there'd be no life as we know it. Including the Israelites who wrote it.

Lets go with that. If the only "black sun event" the ancient people ever saw was just an eclipse then why does every ancient civilization believe that a blacking sun is the end of the world if all they have ever seen is a solar eclipse where nothing happens?
It doesn't add up.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Lets go with that. If the only "black sun event" the ancient people ever saw was just an eclipse then why does every ancient civilization believe that a blacking sun is the end of the world if all they have ever seen is a solar eclipse where nothing happens?
It doesn't add up.

Ancient beliefs would have to be considered within the context of their particular time and culture.
An end of the world would tell on itself, so, anyone espousing that might lose all credibility within a few hours should the community survive.
Within the context of human evolution, Carl Sagan wrote about a time when humans could only be out at night, as they were prey animals, and the cover of night afforded some safety, with the exception of nocturnal predators.
The human triune brain hasn't evolved, and darkness may still trigger real fears from hundreds of thousands of years ago.
A 100-day 'night' though, would have extinguished life on Earth.
Before 'atmosphere', during the Heavy Bombardment Period, meteors rained down continuously. They were leftover remnants of the solar systems accretion disc.
Every now again, some errant comet or asteroid comes in from afar. Large impactors.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

1) if it had happened, there'd be no life as we know it. Including the Israelites who wrote it.

The premise under consideration is a 12K-year cycle. Humankind has been extant for 1-200,000 years give or take. Do the math. DNA evidence suggests that there has been at least one culling that reduced the population to tens of thousands.

There exists ample evidence of an antediluvian culture that could polish granite to optical clarity and throw up vast polygonal walls. Humankind persists, whole cultures are swept away.

Mars isn't the answer but Phobos might be.

[oil pan 4]

So it's just a coincidence that all ancient people believe that a blacking sun means the end of the world?

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Ancient beliefs would have to be considered within the context of their particular time and culture.
An end of the world would tell on itself, so, anyone espousing that might lose all credibility within a few hours should the community survive.
Within the context of human evolution, Carl Sagan wrote about a time when humans could only be out at night, as they were prey animals, and the cover of night afforded some safety, with the exception of nocturnal predators.
The human triune brain hasn't evolved, and darkness may still trigger real fears from hundreds of thousands of years ago.
A 100-day 'night' though, would have extinguished life on Earth.
Before 'atmosphere', during the Heavy Bombardment Period, meteors rained down continuously. They were leftover remnants of the solar systems accretion disc.
Every now again, some errant comet or asteroid comes in from afar. Large impactors.

No one is saying it happened for 100 days on our star.