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11-30-2021, 01:53 PM
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magnetic excursions and surface effects
'may'
'suggest'
'perhaps'
'can'
'skeptical'
'other records show'
'suggest'
'God only knows'
'too speculative'
'show no shifts 42,000 years ago'
'should be seen in the ice...We just don't see that'
'pushing the evidence too far'
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11-30-2021, 03:52 PM
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Is the same thing. God is ineffable.
This may suggest perhaps that we can be skeptical of what the other records show:
www.nasa.gov: Strong Winds Power Electric Fields in the Upper Atmosphere, NASA’s ICON Finds
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What happens on Earth doesn’t stay on Earth.
Using observations from NASA’s ICON mission, scientists presented the first direct measurements of Earth’s long-theorized dynamo on the edge of space: a wind-driven electrical generator that spans the globe 60-plus miles above our heads. The dynamo churns in the ionosphere, the electrically charged boundary between Earth and space. It’s powered by tidal winds in the upper atmosphere that are faster than most hurricanes and rise from the lower atmosphere, creating an electrical environment that can affect satellites and technology on Earth.
The new work, published today in Nature Geoscience, improves our understanding of the ionosphere, which helps scientists better predict space weather and protect our technology from its effects.
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ICON has been up since 2019. Now comes CREX-2:
www.nasa.gov: Science at the Cusp: NASA Rocket to Study Mysterious Area Above the North Pole
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"Strange things happen in Earth’s atmosphere at high latitudes. Around local noon, when the Sun is at its highest point, a funnel-shaped gap in our planet’s magnetic field passes overhead. Earth’s magnetic field shields us from the solar wind, the stream of charged particles spewing off the Sun. The gap in that field, called the polar cusp, allows the solar wind a direct line of access to Earth’s atmosphere.
Radio and GPS signals behave strangely when they travel through this part of the sky. In the last 20 years, scientists and spacecraft operators noticed something else unusual as spacecraft pass through this region: They slow down.
“At around 250 miles above Earth, spacecraft feel more drag, sort of like they’ve hit a speed bump,” said Mark Conde, a physicist at the University of Alaska Fairbanks and the principal investigator for NASA’s Cusp Region Experiment-2, or CREX-2, sounding rocket mission."]Strange things happen in Earth’s atmosphere at high latitudes. Around local noon, when the Sun is at its highest point, a funnel-shaped gap in our planet’s magnetic field passes overhead. Earth’s magnetic field shields us from the solar wind, the stream of charged particles spewing off the Sun. The gap in that field, called the polar cusp, allows the solar wind a direct line of access to Earth’s atmosphere.
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I think there's a big future for Zeppelin satellites with air-breathing ion engines to counterbalance the drag in a very, very low orbit.
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11-30-2021, 04:25 PM
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skeptical of what the other records show
I think the scientists beat you to it.
Hypothesis led to observation. Observation led to instrumentation and sensor technology. Instrumentation led to data. Data reduction led to information. In formation led to numerical models. Models led to verification of hypotheses. Verification of hypotheses led to theory. Theory explained the phenomena, and the mechanisms involved.
Once you have collaboration on a hypotheses from a number of sources, you're done. With, or without space weather.
Any embellishment beyond the most simple explanation is unhelpful.
Ockam's Razor ( only improved by Ockham's Shaving Creme! ).
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They're whom I referenced. CREX-2 was intended for 2019, but was delayed until now.
An earthquake hypothesis led to the satellite that confirmed it.
ntrs.nasa.gov: Validation of Atmosphere/Ionosphere Signals Associated with Major Earthquakes by Multi-Instrument Space-Borne and Ground Observations
Nothing is pure, and few things are simple.
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NASA isn't talking about any causal relationship though. What they're saying is that there's a lithosphere -to-ionosphere relationship. Not the other way around.
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What they're saying is that there's a lithosphere -to-ionosphere relationship. Not the other way around.
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That was suspicious 0bservers criticism as well.
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Is the same thing. God is ineffable.
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Proof and supposition are radically different concepts unless you're a Copernicus fan.
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Proof and supposition are beside the point.
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Ineffable - definition of ineffable by The Free Dictionary
https://www.thefreedictionary.com › ineffable
Define ineffable. ineffable synonyms, ineffable pronunciation, ineffable translation, English dictionary definition of ineffable. adj. 1. Incapable of being expressed; indescribable or unutterable: ineffable joy. 2. Not to be uttered; taboo: the ineffable name of God. in·ef′fa·bil′i·ty...
27 Synonyms and Antonyms of INEFFABLE - Merriam-Webster
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Synonyms for INEFFABLE: incommunicable, indefinable, indescribable, inenarrable, inexpressible, nameless, uncommunicable, unspeakable; Antonyms for INEFFABLE ...
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Proof and supposition are beside the point.
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Then why use the statement unless it was a ploy to drag the argument off into the weeds?
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