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If you don't understand what "down stream" means in relation to the Heliopause thats because you aren't thinking big enough.

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You don't know what down stream refers to, that was the whole point to the trajectory of the voyager probes.
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If you don't understand what "down stream" means in relation to the Heliopause thats because you aren't thinking big enough.

1) I may not be thinking big enough, but that's not to say that I'm not thinking as big as I can!
2) The spherical Sun, as the source of the Heliopause, carries the solar wind in all directions.
3) 'Downstream' is in all directions. Downstream of what? Downstream of the Heliopause?
4)) If the source of the Heliopause is a sphere, and the average solar wind is of equal magnitude in all directions away from the Sun, it should peter out at the same average distance from the Sun, forming a spherical Heliopause.
5) Since Voyager is the only manmade satellite to ever pass the Heliopause, and it possessed no facility to ascertain the 'shape' of the Heliopause, the actual shape of the heliopause cannot be factually stated. Only theoretically stated.
6) Their isn't a person on Earth that actually knows its shape. By default. Anything you say to the contrary cannot be backed up by observational fact.
Not NASA, Not JPL. Not Caltech. Especially not S-O.
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Because the sun is a sphere doesn't mean the Heliopause is.
It would be a sphere if, big hint if, there were no external forces acting on the Heliopause.
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1) I may not be thinking big enough, but that's not to say that I'm not thinking as big as I can!
"I'm trying to think, but nothing happens!"

Downstream is relative. To the Local Group? To Laniakea_Supercluster?

Plasma phenomena are scale independent. As above, so below.

Consider the analogous Magnetosphere. Just as it is immersed in the Heliosphere, the (quasi-spherical) Heliosphere is immersed as well in an ambient surrounding. ... That it is in relative motion through.

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Not a fan of secret space programs or breakaway civilizations then? Where did Marconi and that boatload of scientists make off to then?
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If you turn down the sound (because you are afraid that you might learn something and/or hear something you don't agree with), skip to 2:30 and just look at the pictures.
What do you see.
https://youtu.be/NAB2-pbFv8E


I know there's one person who will look at that and not see magnetic lines because they are in denial.
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Because the sun is a sphere doesn't mean the Heliopause is.
It would be a sphere if, big hint if, there were no external forces acting on the Heliopause.
1) By definition, the distance from the Sun to the Heliopause is published at 100-AU.
2) If you take a string that's 100-AU in length, and swing it in all directions from the center of the Sun, it describes an imaginary sphere, of 100-AU radius.
3) If you wish to redefine this imaginary structure as asymmetrical, then the specificity of its dimensions must be globally recognized.
4) Today, without protest from the rest of the astronomical community, PhD astronomers are reporting the distance from the Sun to the Heliopause as 100-AU.
5) Which by default, describes a sphere.
6) Please publish your source and dimensions which formally refute the 100-AU metric.
7) I'm aware that our solar system is moving through an interstellar medium as we orbit our central black hole.
8) If hydrodynamic forces are perturbing the solar wind that's not a surprise, however, if you're going to advocate for an asymmetric Heliopause, it's incumbent upon you to unpack that narrative, providing bona fides.
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If you turn down the sound (because you are afraid that you might learn something and/or hear something you don't agree with), skip to 2:30 and just look at the pictures.
What do you see.
https://youtu.be/NAB2-pbFv8E


I know there's one person who will look at that and not see magnetic lines because they are in denial.
1) I see nothing germane to our discussion about the Heliopause.
2) In 2-minutes,34-seconds he's ejaculated 4-times, name-dropping, and presenting stupid abstracts. Those filaments have absolutely nothing to do with our discussion.
3) Unfortunately for B.D. he allowed enough resolution to read the preambles which reveal language like: 'proposed', 'hindered confirming', 'implying'......
4) No proof. Nothing definitive. Just theoretical wanderings.
5) He can't seem to stay on the same topic for 2-minutes before trying to wow the viewer with another meaningless graphic.
6) If you're looking to lose what little credibility you might have left you're doing a fine job.
7) I thought you might actually know something you could discuss in your own words. Wrong again!
8) How about something that has to do with the Heliopause?
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8) If hydrodynamic forces are perturbing the solar wind that's not a surprise, however, if you're going to advocate for an asymmetric Heliopause, it's incumbent upon you to unpack that narrative, providing bona fides.
How does one hold that 100AU string taut in the midst of a vortex street?
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How does one hold that 100AU string taut in the midst of a vortex street?
1) First of all, remember, we're talking about plasma.
2) slow electrons
3) slow protons
4) slow, very rarified vortex street which might be attacked by cororating interactive regions ( CIR ) and attacked by overtaking solar wind shockwaves, or perturbed by stalling rarifactions.
6) energy dissipating as the inverse square of the distance from the Sun.
7) For all I know, I could 'wade' in the solar wind an feel nothing.
8) for 100-AU distance you'd see episodes of activity, interspersed with episodes of quiescence, as the Sun continually rotates.
9) I counted 6-sunspots yesterday. My home electronics were fine. Phone was fine. GPS was fine. Rocks didn't fly into space creating a grand canyon in my yard during lightning. Compass was rock-steady.

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