Hydrogen Generator Experiment

[Christ]

By the way, the fuel economy of the vehicle in question DOES NOT MATTER. You're right, if you use more gas, you'll use more H2, but they still have to be in equal proportions to an engine that would use less of both.

Apparently, you missed that point.

[Nerys]

I personally don't have an explanation for more O2 like YOU state it does not make sense to me. if its recombining it should not be their UNLESS not all of its recombining? but even if NONE of its combining the amount of O2 has to be TINY compared to what the engine sucks it nomally? even if the hho is PURE O2. I know far to little about chemistry to answer that one.

[Nerys]

christ your not making sense. YES if your buying it at $40 per GGE SURE it does not matter what the mpg is

BUT IF YOUR MAKING IT YOURSELF THE DIFFERENCE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORTH DOING AND TOTALLY SILLY TO EVEN TRY.

they have to be in equal proportions to EACH OTHER not from CAR TO CAR.

I can do 14 to 1 with in HUGE VOLUME or TINY VOLUME.

both my metro and a F150 use 14 to 1 but my metro uses FAR FAR less volume. The lower the volume the closer to possibly being practical for me to MAKE MY OWN GAS.

My point is the DATA they give for GGE flies in the face of OBSERVED EVENTS. there is no way they were pumping that much gas into that car on that episode.

I do find it interesting the trucks got similar MPG on hydrogen and gas. so how much would it COST ME in electricity to make say 5mpg worth of that gas and inject it into my car? THAT is the question.

later on I am going to try to muddle through some math and see if I can come up with a kw figure for a 5mpg increase using that government data on those trucks.

[Christ]

Why don't you stop theorizing and just do the damn tests? Wasn't it about 2 months ago that you said you could do this thing with stuff you already had, and it was within your budget?

[Christ]

TBH, I dont' remember exactly, and I'm not going to search for the thread, but did you not leave an open-ended thread of similar nature on The Chrysler Minivan Fan Club?

[Nerys]

yes and yes. the issue is TIME. while it will not cost much in dollars it will consume a massive amount of time. I also have ZERO consensus on a DESIGN for a generator to maximize gas production. While easy to build I NEED SOMETHING to build from ie plans. apparently there is a massive variety of designs and a massive variation on gas production from design to design. because this is all home brew its a bit disorganized.

even then its a matter of simple time to actually DO IT. I work 6 days a week and am usually quite busy the 7th. it just keeps getting pushed to the back burner.

what RENEWED my interest is my Metro. now that I have a super efficient car it might be more interesting to mess with this but I have bigger fish to fry. I first want to get to the bottom of the damned ethanol crap we are sucking down. Working on that one too. Again just a matter of time.

I like discussions. they are fun and they "USE" a time period I have plenty of thats pretty much useless for anything else IE late night :-)

[pgfpro]

Originally Posted by Nerys

christ your not making sense. YES if your buying it at $40 per GGE SURE it does not matter what the mpg is

BUT IF YOUR MAKING IT YOURSELF THE DIFFERENCE IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WORTH DOING AND TOTALLY SILLY TO EVEN TRY.

they have to be in equal proportions to EACH OTHER not from CAR TO CAR.

I can do 14 to 1 with in HUGE VOLUME or TINY VOLUME.

both my metro and a F150 use 14 to 1 but my metro uses FAR FAR less volume. The lower the volume the closer to possibly being practical for me to MAKE MY OWN GAS.

My point is the DATA they give for GGE flies in the face of OBSERVED EVENTS. there is no way they were pumping that much gas into that car on that episode.

I do find it interesting the trucks got similar MPG on hydrogen and gas. so how much would it COST ME in electricity to make say 5mpg worth of that gas and inject it into my car? THAT is the question.

later on I am going to try to muddle through some math and see if I can come up with a kw figure for a 5mpg increase using that government data on those trucks.

You don't have a CLUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I give up.

Go build your H2 machine and make Hydrogen for next to nothing. Then run your car on magical BTU's for some reason makes the ICE happier then normal BTU's.

"IF you believe hard enough it will come true"

[Nerys]

so you don't like the answer its not inline with your preconcieved notions so you fly off the handle?

do you honestly thing the fact that one car uses FOUR TIMES MORE FUEL than the other is irrelevant in a hydrogen fuel discussion?

do you disagree with the concept that I don't care how efficient it is but only how EXPENSIVE it is? if hydrogen is 40 times LESS efficient than gasoline but 100 times cheaper (the E in my house) well thats a win is it not? (IF your goal is to save money NOT use less energy)

[Christ]

If you'd spent less time on here theorizing and asking questions, you'd have probably gotten it done already.

Gods know how many other forums you're posting the same thing on, so you're wasting exponentially more time.

Why is late night not a good time to do anything? That's when I get most of my projects worked on...

[pgfpro]

so you don't like the answer its not inline with your preconcieved notions so you fly off the handle?

No that would be you!!!

do you honestly thing the fact that one car uses FOUR TIMES MORE FUEL than the other is irrelevant in a hydrogen fuel discussion?

Do you understand that its gets pretty much the same MPG or even a little less then it did on gasoline!!! There no magically BTU's in Hydrogen is there!!!

do you disagree with the concept that I don't care how efficient it is but only how EXPENSIVE it is? if hydrogen is 40 times LESS efficient than gasoline but 100 times cheaper (the E in my house) well thats a win is it not? (IF your goal is to save money NOT use less energy)

Did you not read the information I gave from a Nuclear Physicist. Saying the cost to make Hydrogen off the grid is very expensive!!!