Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Hybrids
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 06-24-2019, 11:05 AM   #171 (permalink)
Redneck Ecomodder
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 437

Dent-Mobile - '99 Buick Lesabre
90 day: 22.68 mpg (US)

Red Rocket - '92 Geo Metro Base
Thanks: 11
Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts
All that said above, do you think it would be possible to yank the front axle out (4WD rig) and replace it with the prius drivetrain? I have no idea how big the prius motor is, but the front axle on this old Ford is HUGE and hanging way out in space, there's a solid 6" air gap between it and the motor.

__________________
  Reply With Quote
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 06-24-2019, 11:23 AM   #172 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 17,065
Thanks: 4,558
Thanked 5,727 Times in 4,566 Posts
The Prius drivetrain consists of an engine and two electric motors. Consider the Lexus LX400h/Highlander. It is also Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive technology, but it has an electric rear axle (some model years).


(compared here with a VW engine case)

68hp and 98lb but it needs an independent suspension. ....and 400 volts.
__________________
.

Change my, you know, the thing.

_________________
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
bobo333 (07-09-2020)
Old 06-24-2019, 12:50 PM   #173 (permalink)
Redneck Ecomodder
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 437

Dent-Mobile - '99 Buick Lesabre
90 day: 22.68 mpg (US)

Red Rocket - '92 Geo Metro Base
Thanks: 11
Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by freebeard View Post
The Prius drivetrain consists of an engine and two electric motors. Consider the Lexus LX400h/Highlander. It is also Toyota's Hybrid Synergy Drive technology, but it has an electric rear axle (some model years).


(compared here with a VW engine case)

68hp and 98lb but it needs an independent suspension. ....and 400 volts.
So if I were to pull the front axle, put the Prius motors on the front hubs, and get the biggest oversize alternator I can do you think the old 302 could power it? This again would mostly be a dead-stop assist for heavy loads, and maybe to help keep speed on the uphills sometimes. I wonder if it would also be strong enough for quick trips around town? I have a manual transmission so I could just put it in neutral and run on the electric front drive. I can arm strong steer this pickup if I need to, and I've always thought power brakes were just foolish outside of a CMV.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2019, 01:37 PM   #174 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 17,065
Thanks: 4,558
Thanked 5,727 Times in 4,566 Posts
Using the 302 to power an electric axle would be a series hybrid. With lower efficiency.

Once again, the Prius electric motors are integrated into a bellhousing on the ICE. Someone else will have to comment on converting them to hub motors.

If you use the Lexus/Highlander axle with a separate controller and battery pack, that would be a through-the-road hybrid with separated systems.
__________________
.

Change my, you know, the thing.

_________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-24-2019, 05:08 PM   #175 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: California
Posts: 374

Tahoe 2020 - '08 Chevy Tahoe H
90 day: 20.75 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 83 Times in 77 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaneajanderson View Post
All that said above, do you think it would be possible to yank the front axle out (4WD rig) and replace it with the prius drivetrain? I have no idea how big the prius motor is, but the front axle on this old Ford is HUGE and hanging way out in space, there's a solid 6" air gap between it and the motor.
your wasting your time I don't even think the engine could move it. (weight limitations)


2mode v8 364CI Hybrid would be the best bet good luck finding one though
4x4 or rwd
it's body on frame (body swap will not work because of wheel base) so you could just do a powertrain swap and your good to go... it sounds a lot simpler then just trying to weld on a prius to your ford
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2019, 08:41 AM   #176 (permalink)
Redneck Ecomodder
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 437

Dent-Mobile - '99 Buick Lesabre
90 day: 22.68 mpg (US)

Red Rocket - '92 Geo Metro Base
Thanks: 11
Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe_Hybrid View Post
your wasting your time I don't even think the engine could move it. (weight limitations)


2mode v8 364CI Hybrid would be the best bet good luck finding one though
4x4 or rwd
it's body on frame (body swap will not work because of wheel base) so you could just do a powertrain swap and your good to go... it sounds a lot simpler then just trying to weld on a prius to your ford
I didn't figure the electric could get this thing moving on it's own, I was hoping to use it as a front wheel assist for take off when heavy towing. I have the stupid Mazda 5-speed without a proper low first gear for heavy loads. I'm not going to do a full engine swap on this rig, but if I did I'd put in a 7.3L veggie oil/used motor oil burner.
__________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2019, 09:33 AM   #177 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 17,065
Thanks: 4,558
Thanked 5,727 Times in 4,566 Posts
How about a mild hybrid?

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tor-35003.html

It's only 20hp and goes through the transmission, but it looks easier to me than anything else, and you do get regen, etc.
__________________
.

Change my, you know, the thing.

_________________
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2019, 08:31 PM   #178 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: California
Posts: 374

Tahoe 2020 - '08 Chevy Tahoe H
90 day: 20.75 mpg (US)
Thanks: 0
Thanked 83 Times in 77 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaneajanderson View Post
I've had a thought recently to add an electric drive in front of my rear driveshaft on my F150. The electric could to be used for moving it empty short distances, and help with starting out and going up steep hills while towing.

It hasn't gone beyond that though, I'm not familiar enough with EV drivetrains to know if this is even possible.
a pre-us can't TOW it would blow the tranny let alone move 6000 pounds
  Reply With Quote
Old 06-25-2019, 11:31 PM   #179 (permalink)
Tyrant-at-large
 
Vman455's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Champaign, IL
Posts: 1,695

Little Red - retired - '05 Honda Civic EX
90 day: 49.03 mpg (US)

Pope Pious the Prius - '13 Toyota Prius Two
Team Toyota
SUV
90 day: 59.04 mpg (US)
Thanks: 178
Thanked 1,484 Times in 786 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe_Hybrid View Post
a pre-us can't TOW it would blow the tranny let alone move 6000 pounds
I guess these guys didn't get your memo:























__________________


Last edited by Vman455; 06-25-2019 at 11:45 PM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Vman455 For This Useful Post:
bobo333 (07-09-2020)
Old 06-26-2019, 07:10 AM   #180 (permalink)
Redneck Ecomodder
 
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: North Dakota
Posts: 437

Dent-Mobile - '99 Buick Lesabre
90 day: 22.68 mpg (US)

Red Rocket - '92 Geo Metro Base
Thanks: 11
Thanked 91 Times in 71 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tahoe_Hybrid View Post
a pre-us can't TOW it would blow the tranny let alone move 6000 pounds
Again the idea would be an assist system for starting with the trailer. The gas engine would do most of the work, the electric just putting down an extra 50 ft lbs or so till 10 mph

__________________
  Reply With Quote
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com