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Old 01-11-2014, 10:48 AM   #1241 (permalink)
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Old 01-11-2014, 10:51 AM   #1242 (permalink)
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lol, like the HHO argument, I see free energy from your alternator or the web.
 
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To manufacturer it, yes. But it didn't have to be.

Turning it off will not make any difference because it's use (by me anyway) doesn't contribute to GHG emissions.
At the present time, yes it did....unless,
you produced your own batteries, wires, solar panels, oh yes and mined and refined the metals for the wires, batteries and made the plastic out of plants you grew.

So far, all I have been able to produce on my own is some Silver and Lead, and even then Nature actually "Created" it.
 
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To manufacturer it, yes. But it didn't have to be.
How ?
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I am not arguing that GHGs are not (currently) generated in the manufacture of communication devices nor use of the internet. I also indirectly subsidise fossil fuel use through the tax system. I can't alter those things. I can change what I do. It isn't even onerous to do so.
 
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I am not arguing that GHGs are not (currently) generated in the manufacture of communication devices nor use of the internet.
So how would they not be involved in the future ?

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I also indirectly subsidise fossil fuel use through the tax system. I can't alter those things. I can change what I do. It isn't even onerous to do so.
As you said the longer you wait the worse it will be, why not do it now ?
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With those higher than recent (preindustrial) levels of GHGs, Earth was a Hell hole, unsuitable for human life. Reverse the sequestration - our biological activity - and we go back to that Hell hole. It's that simple.
Ah, so will your proposal to revert to pre-industrial conditions remedy everything? No indoor plumbing, no electric power, heating only by wood, transportation only by animal power, including fecal waste everywhere (talk about gas emissions!), etc., etc.. Such primitive living conditions even persisted in modern times, long after the industrial revolution.

Life before the industrial revolution was "nasty, brutish and short", indeed. Is this pre-industrial way of life your idea of utopia? Or is it a hell-hole that you never knew?
 
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plus the data center that hosts this site, you are using that.
 
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Ah, so will your proposal to revert to pre-industrial conditions remedy everything? No indoor plumbing, no electric power, heating only by wood, transportation only by animal power, including fecal waste everywhere (talk about gas emissions!), etc., etc.. Such primitive living conditions even persisted in modern times, long after the industrial revolution.

Life before the industrial revolution was "nasty, brutish and short", indeed. Is this pre-industrial way of life your idea of utopia? Or is it a hell-hole that you never knew?
Now this is the discussion that needs to be had; what needs to be done. No, we're not going back to preindustrial conditions in terms of material wealth. The important things like water supply and refrigeration are technically possible in a non-emitting and sustainable economy.

There are many people who have shown that it is possible to live without using fossil fuels in daily life.
 
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Now this is the discussion that needs to be had
We had it tens of pages ago.

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There are many people who have shown that it is possible to live without using fossil fuels in daily life.
Such as ?

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