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Any dust transported within the wake, which presently does not accumulate, would be forced to adhere to the 'jelly,' perhaps revealing features of the base area that would otherwise remain 'invisible.'
Allowing 'scrubbing' air access to the taillight lenses might be an advantage, safety-wise, as traffic behind you would 'know' what you're 'doing.'
Mercedes used to incorporate horizontal ridges into their plastic lenses, so that any back-soiling would be limited to only half the surface.
If you were going to add fairings behind the wheels, you'd want to add them in front as well, just as with VW's XL1, MG EX-181, etc..
Wheel fairings are capable of reducing wheel drag by 70%.
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When you say flaring are you talking about on the side of the bottom around the wheel skirts or are we talking about boat tailing under And in front and behind the tires?
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09-08-2022, 11:28 AM
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When you say flaring are you talking about on the side of the bottom around the wheel skirts or are we talking about boat tailing under And in front and behind the tires?
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Ideally, they would not only provide the 'canoe' fairings, ahead of, and behind the wheels, they'd also 'enclose' the wheel/tires on the outside and inside, with the absolute minimum clearance. Like solar race cars.
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09-09-2022, 01:31 AM
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Ideally, they would not only provide the 'canoe' fairings, ahead of, and behind the wheels, they'd also 'enclose' the wheel/tires on the outside and inside, with the absolute minimum clearance. Like solar race cars.
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How much better are the curved/boat tailed flarings versus the typical “ flat” deflectors most cars have in front of the wheels?
I was definitely going to add the boat tails around all the wheels light the xl1 and light year one/zero
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Just curious to how much they affect CD or would even improve my mpg by at least 1 mpg?
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09-09-2022, 03:16 AM
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'[M]ost cars' would be production cars. They have to accomodate edge cases, wheelwells packed with ice and snow, jounce and rebound, etc.
Solar racers are an edge case in themselves.
Stance it and use deformable (conveyor belting) canoes that respect approach andf departure angles. They start at zero so closer to the tire means closer to the ground.
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09-09-2022, 03:02 PM
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'[M]ost cars' would be production cars. They have to accomodate edge cases, wheelwells packed with ice and snow, jounce and rebound, etc.
Solar racers are an edge case in themselves.
Stance it and use deformable (conveyor belting) canoes that respect approach andf departure angles. They start at zero so closer to the tire means closer to the ground.
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I have some firm black foam wedges that should be able to compress. It does seem like I’d probably have to take them off in winter for going to ski resorts though. Same with the rear wheel skirts
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09-12-2022, 12:00 PM
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how much?
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How much better are the curved/boat tailed flarings versus the typical “ flat” deflectors most cars have in front of the wheels?
I was definitely going to add the boat tails around all the wheels light the xl1 and light year one/zero
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Just curious to how much they affect CD or would even improve my mpg by at least 1 mpg?
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It remains an unknown quantity. A side-by-side comparison has never been reported.
For their 2013, Chevy Malibu, General Motors reported a 10-count drag reduction for the two front wheel deflectors.
A full set of wheel fairings could put you at delta 350-counts.
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It remains an unknown quantity. A side-by-side comparison has never been reported.
For their 2013, Chevy Malibu, General Motors reported a 10-count drag reduction for the two front wheel deflectors.
A full set of wheel fairings could put you at delta 350-counts.
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As long as it can’t hurt the aero, I’ll try it.
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As long as it can’t hurt the aero, I’ll try it.
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According to Wolf H. Hucho, it's the only thing that CAN help.
He refers to 'integration' of the wheels in to the body as the remedy.
You leave the wheels where they are and add wheel fairings, or drop the car to within an inch of the road, as the University of Michigan did with their recent sub-Cd 0.10 solar race car.
It's the closest we can come to 'retractable landing gear.'
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According to Wolf H. Hucho, it's the only thing that CAN help.
He refers to 'integration' of the wheels in to the body as the remedy.
You leave the wheels where they are and add wheel fairings, or drop the car to within an inch of the road, as the University of Michigan did with their recent sub-Cd 0.10 solar race car.
It's the closest we can come to 'retractable landing gear.'
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Well I definitely can’t lower the car unless I can an adjustable air suspension for raising the height too during heavy winter snow storms and ski resort driving
I love my wheel skirts but I can already tel they will be a problem in severe rain and snow driving, so best winter mods besides mirror removal will have to be smoother under body and diffuser, separation traps/mini box cavity, and other possible things. I wonder if the wheel flarings could be mounted with some really strong Velcro that’ll hold up to aero forces, but also be easy to remove and put on and off if I’m snow driving…
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09-13-2022, 07:31 AM
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Can you take some overall pictures of these?
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