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Old 12-15-2016, 01:57 PM   #441 (permalink)
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We are planning to return the Leaf at the end of the lease
Too bad it is not more ideal for you. I believe Nissan will temp you with a price to keep it that you may find hard to refuse. Like $8,000.

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Old 12-16-2016, 08:52 AM   #442 (permalink)
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I was reading this thread on 2015 lizard batteries. Pretty interesting. Here are my conclusions:

2015 Lizard batteries - My Nissan Leaf Forum

The performance of the Lizard batteries is mixed. Some are doing much better than others.

The Lizard batteries seem to have some extra capacity over 24 kWh that is used to mask early degradation.

Now the less certain conclusions:

New cars with stock batteries are doing better than replacements in 2011-2013's.

Counterintuitively, cars that are driven more have better battery life.

Deep discharge is a killer.

I think we will continue in blissful ignorance, not taking any specific readings. But the range is still doing well so far.
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The funniest part was the guy who kept taking his car down to turtle mode to test its range, and couldn't understand why it was dropping so fast.

It's also good to note, no 2015s have lost a bar yet.
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Old 12-16-2016, 10:17 AM   #444 (permalink)
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It's also good to note, no 2015s have lost a bar yet.
I wonder if that feature has been, um, "reprogrammed."

A capacity gauge in the cluster is something a techie would appreciate. It's a marketing disaster though.
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The capacity gauge is still there and is the determining factor in a battery capacity loss warranty as amibuous as it is.
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This guy has only lost 1 bar but is in trouble with his 2015 Leaf already. Leafspy is showing a capacity of 17.0 kWh for a state of health of 76% as of 36,000 miles.
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Date: 12/13/2016
Mileage: 35,764
GIDs: 219
kWh: 17.0
SOC: 102.3%
SOH: 76%
HX: 58.19%
Ahr: 47.73
Avg Battery Temp: N/A
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http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopi...7459&start=640
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I have been tempted to get Leaf Spy, but so far I have not.

All Leafs sold in cold weather climates have a heater in the pack - apparently if they get too cold when is use - or in particular while charging, this will hurt the capacity.

If we can get a high capacity battery in the new Leaf (probably 60kWh, and maybe a 40kWh?) then we will be seriously considering that. And they will probably offer a big loyalty discount.
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And they will probably offer a big loyalty discount.
Loyalty discount?

From my experience, the more loyalty you have with any business, the worse the "deals" are.
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They gave my sister-in-law a big discount on her second Leaf. She returned her 2012 for a 2015, and the deal was excellent.
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This guy has only lost 1 bar but is in trouble with his 2015 Leaf already. Leafspy is showing a capacity of 17.0 kWh for a state of health of 76% as of 36,000 miles.

2015: Battery Data Report @ 100% Charge - Page 65 - My Nissan Leaf Forum
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Interesting. Do you know anything else about the situation? Is he in Arizona? Quick charging a lot? etc. I will have to go read the thread.

And actually he's not screwed - he's probably going to get a free replacement.

In the milder climate of Europe, 99.9% of batteries haven't needed replacement (and that includes the older Leafs).

https://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/25...ill-operation/
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And then on the other hand you have this guy with his 2014 Leaf with 50,000 miles that is still showing a state of health of 100%.
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2015: Battery Data Report @ 100% Charge - Page 66 - My Nissan Leaf Forum
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