Ptero gets kicked off CleanMPG for dissing the Volt

[gone-ot]

The "misspelling" was on purpose...ala' thumb-tack.

[LeanBurn]

I visited cleanmpg over 2 years ago (I just checked) I found this site to be more friendly and helpful as well as down to earth, which is my style. If I could figure out how to delete my user over there I would as I don't plan to go back. Ecomodder is just a better fit for me and I am glad I found it as it has been very helpful.

[jamesqf]

Originally Posted by Ptero

You mean "tact." When I realized political correctness was destroying my country, I said to hell with it. Back to being forthright and saying exactly what I think. People who don't like it can go **** themselves.

No real problem with saying what you think, though you perhaps ought to recall the old saying about it being better to keep silent and be thought an idiot, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

Just for example, consider a few of the idiocies in this sentence:

It is impossible to mine lithium in Bolivia, haul it to the Pacific coast of South America, transport it by ship to South Korea, make it into batteries, ship those batteries to Detroit, install and run them in hybrid cars for 7 to 10 years, perform end-of-life recycling and still be able to justify ANY mpg gain.

Even on the charitable assumption that your economic calculations there are correct, the assumptions on which they're based are just plain wrong.

• Lithium can be mined in placed other than Bolivia, for instance Northern Nevada: Lithium Mining in USA - Lithium Mining - The Worldwide Website
• Batteries can be made in places other than South Korea, for instance in Nevada: Nevada possible site for Tesla gigafactory | Las Vegas Review-Journal
• Typical battery life could easily be 20 years: https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/p...-vehicles.html

[Fat Charlie]

Originally Posted by LeanBurn

I visited cleanmpg over 2 years ago (I just checked) I found this site to be more friendly and helpful as well as down to earth, which is my style.

You know, a community.

[Frank Lee]

The OEM Motorcraft battery in the F150 is now 20 years old! I know- lead/acid- but still! Just started her up yesterday in single digit temps after it sat for weeks. Color me impressed!

[niky]

Originally Posted by jamesqf

the assumptions on which they're based are just plain wrong.

Lithium ion batteries do have issues with high and low temperature, so lifespan probably won't be that long for cars in very hot or cold climates... or at least lifespan at 80%.

But yeah, too many assumptions. I also quail at the assumption that anything that has to be shipped automatically causes more GHG... what's important to note is that the huge volume of parts and items shipped via cargo vessel means that the amount of fuel used to ship any single part of a car is quite small, and that mass producing in one place and mass shipping it to other places might have a smaller environmental impact than creating big, expensive production facilities at multiple locations.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by niky

I also quail at the assumption that anything that has to be shipped automatically causes more GHG... what's important to note is that the huge volume of parts and items shipped via cargo vessel means that the amount of fuel used to ship any single part of a car is quite small, and that mass producing in one place and mass shipping it to other places might have a smaller environmental impact than creating big, expensive production facilities at multiple locations.

This logic is also what causes me to question the value of "eating local". Does it really take less energy for a small farmer to drive a pickup truck around with relatively little food than a large corporation to ship massive quantities of food? If the local small farm takes less energy, then prices should reflect this efficiency.

[Chuck.]

Originally Posted by Frank Lee

The OEM Motorcraft battery in the F150 is now 20 years old! I know- lead/acid- but still! Just started her up yesterday in single digit temps after it sat for weeks. Color me impressed!

That's great!