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Old 05-02-2012, 12:05 AM   #41 (permalink)
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One-liners (quips) such as this are easy to make, but they add nothing substantial to the discussion.
More Irony.


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Ok. I'll spell it out.

You are not following your own advice. You are trying to pick an argument with someone who doesn't really want an argument with you.

But you are arguing the OP was trying to pick an argument with someone who didn't want to argue.

Do you understand now? Are you understanding any of this?

I understand you are trying to help, but the OP doesn't want your help. He does not want your advice. You offered your advice, and he told you thanks, but don't bother any more.

Yet you persist.

The OP is a really nice guy, who offers some great insights. If people like you persist, the OP might quit posting. Which would be a bad thing.

 
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Old 05-02-2012, 12:07 AM   #42 (permalink)
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One-liners (quips) such as this are easy to make, but they add nothing substantial to the discussion.
And the irony exists because you continue to disregard your own advice with a meaningless one-liner which added nothing to the discussion.

Do you understand what I am talking about?
 
Old 05-02-2012, 01:17 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Old 05-02-2012, 07:44 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I've been around the block a few times, started driving at age 15 and 4 months, 120 days after my 15th birthday which was 11/22/65.

Good old Christ(not sarcasm buddy), I am so happy to know my Social Security Check is safe, since I started paying into the system the same year I got my first drivers license.

I was once an egotistical little brat like our buddy tc, but I grew up a long time ago, unlike the persona he dedicates for us here. I do know how to push his button and get him ranting on. It takes so little effort, but I get bored with it quickly.

I think if anyone here looks at his posts over the last year or more, they will find little knowledge gained from his efforts to consume bandwidth. I guess he thinks we are privileged to be the recipients of his glorious wit and humor.

Anyway I digress, but feeding him his pureed humble pie is an interesting sideboard.

When another driver commits an act of assault, which in the strictest of legal terms is a felony and depending on the seriousness of their pursuit of confrontation could be a serious series of felonies with serious consequences, then what is the best response?

Little old tc would like to intimidate us, me, you, anyone, with his much too important wisdom (at least in his own mind he is a legend).

Having given this some thought, and being fairly observant, I think I might just purchase the means of recording such incidents, which would provide me with evidence in court where the offender could be summoned and his fate determined by a real judge, not some self appointed one like good ole tc. The humble pie is piling up tc, I pureed it to make it easy to swallow, wouldn't want you to choke on it!

If I wanted to be vindictive or was prone to vendetta's then I guess I could have just memorized his license plate and done some subterfuge on him or his vehicle at a later date, but then again you are responding to the aggressor. However I think that in the more egregious examples, like this one, you are dealing with an individual who has lost or abandoned their concept of civilized behaviour, and when this becomes the norm, because there is no cost to them, then the roads will be much less safe for those of us who understand that operating a vehicle on our roads is a responsibility.

I have stopped and talked to police officers about idiot drivers. The last time I was going the speed limit on Colonial Parkway and was passed by a big old Dodge Truck. The issue was he was going 10 over and passed me in the middle lane (3 lane with passing only in the middle by both directions-very dangerous) when the middle lane was a sheet of ice! The officer was polite and considerate as I am sure old tc would be if he was talking with an officer, and he told me he could do nothing unless he actually observed the incident.

Of course the officer is not the enforcer, the judge is the real enforcer. Sounds like time for some video capabilities. I wonder if I could sue the jerk?

Enjoy your humble pie there tc!

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Mech

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Old 05-02-2012, 10:46 AM   #45 (permalink)
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More Irony.

Ok. I'll spell it out.

You are not following your own advice. You are trying to pick an argument with someone who doesn't really want an argument with you.
The advice (actually I don't mind it being called criticism) was given, and he decided to argue with it: his denial and defensiveness are cited and are a matter of record. Some people can't take criticism, and thus cannot learn anything different. Some can even be incited towards retribution. That's how wars begin.

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But you are arguing the OP was trying to pick an argument with someone who didn't want to argue.

Do you understand now? Are you understanding any of this?
Your addition of "Are you understanding any of this?" was unnecessary (AKA "talking down") and is also a form of escalation.

Yes, I do understand. But here's what you fail to acknowledge: offering criticism and advice does not create an argument. The defensive and increasingly hostile response to it creates the argument. It takes two to argue. He posted details of an incident to this thread which, on a discussion list in effect invites comments. Did he or anyone else here actually expect that there wouldn't be (or shouldn't be) any comments that are critical in any way? Is that realistic?

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I understand you are trying to help, but the OP doesn't want your help. He does not want your advice.
That is correct and it is obvious.

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You offered your advice, and he told you thanks, but don't bother any more.
That is not true. He neither told me thanks, nor did he tell me don't bother. Nor does he have the power to silence anyone with whom he disagrees. Instead he became sarcastic, escalating the interaction, just as he did with the traffic incident.

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Yet you persist.
I persist in pointing out that escalation generates argument and conflict. THAT is actually what this entire thread is about. (However now we have descended to arguing about arguing.)

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The OP is a really nice guy, who offers some great insights. If people like you persist, the OP might quit posting. Which would be a bad thing.
I know that too. We have been in agreement many times in the past and I actually respect him, but his current, relentless defensive posturing and sarcasm is disappointing.

I cannot cause him to quit posting altogether as you are suggesting. If he were to do so it would be entirely his choice. To the contrary, we are not seeing any cease and desist here. Instead we are seeing more long, rambling posts arguing in his defense.

If you doubt that any of the above is true just read his latest screed which is replete with sarcasm, insulting comments and innuendo. That's what people do when they are nursing a bruised ego and that's all he's got left to offer.

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Old 05-02-2012, 10:54 AM   #46 (permalink)
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The defensive and increasingly hostile response to it creates the argument. s.


. Instead he became sarcastic, escalating the interaction,



I persist in pointing out that escalation generates argument and conflict. THAT is actually what this entire thread is about. (However now we have descended to arguing about arguing.)

I know that too. We have been in agreement many times in the past and I actually respect him, but his current, relentless defensive posturing and sarcasm is disappointing.

I cannot cause him to quit posting altogether as you are suggesting. If he were to do so it would be entirely his choice. To the contrary, we are not seeing any cease and desist here. Instead we are seeing more long, rambling posts arguing in his defense.

Irony. Do you understand you are doing EXACTLY the things I have highlighted above?

"sarcasm is disappointing" is particularly pompous and arrogant, which is a realm i reserve for myself.

If you are waiting for someone to tell you to shut the **** up, please consider it done.

 
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