Scott Adams Thread (Garfield Cartoonist)

[freebeard]

If there's a need to elaborate, it's you two ... elaborating less.

Tu quoque.

"You've got my whole fallacy wrong" -- Marshall McLuhan

[freebeard]

I've posted some straightforward comments based on ~facts and good principles. Neither of you have addressed them sufficiently...

In other words we haven't said what you want to hear.

Otherwise, the discussion hasn't gone anywhere.

Still waiting to hear how you propose to resolve the dilemma you postulate. Who does what to who?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

I've posted some straightforward comments based on ~facts and good principles.

We're susceptible to conflate feeling and fact. As they say, we decide first and reason later.

Feeling is an equal partner to reason, because it informs the value hierarchy. When one feels, it's necessary to temper it by the process of reason. In other words, "listen to your heart" is nonsense pushed by Disney to make slaves of us. The easiest thing to do is listen to the heart, requires nothing, meanwhile justifies absolutely anything, because it assumes passion is pure.

We talk past one another when we don't define the feeling (value hierarchy).

[freebeard]

Puts me in mind of The Kongos Come With Me Now

I think with my heart and I move with my head
I open my mouth and it's something I've read
I stood at this door before, I'm told
But a part of me knows that I'm growing too old
Confused what I thought with something I felt
Confuse what I feel with something that's real
I tried to sell my soul last night
Funny, he wouldn't even take a bite

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

It looks like you've been soaking in alternative right media for a long time.

Sooo... Are you aware your posting in a Scott Adams thread?

[freebeard]

Still waiting for you to answer your own question, since you don't like ours.

[freebeard]

The one we don't answer to your satisfaction? Permalink #434:

I asked you a specific question and your replies had nothing to do with the question, and frankly, it's like you're speaking in riddles.

Here's the question, again:

Who do you supposedly want to repatriate?

Which I reframed as

Still waiting to hear how you propose to resolve the dilemma you postulate. Who does what to who?

[freebeard]

You inserted yourself into a discussion on 'reparations for the victims of climate catastrophism' at #422, and asserted this at #424

Regarding reparations: Black people have been owed reparations for centuries.

Asserting an argument is technically not posing a question, I'll grant you that. You could have said 'no one' but that brings us back to my question: "Who does what to whom?"

The way you can change my mind on this is by sufficiently addressing the ~facts and principles I posted. Otherwise, the discussion hasn't gone anywhere.

A Civil War and Constitutional Amendment should have been enough, but the Democrats have been obstructionist ever since. There's your problem.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Straw_man
Straw man - Wikipedia
Steelmanning. A steel man argument (or steelmanning) is the opposite of a straw man argument. Steelmanning is the practice of addressing the strongest form of the other person's argument, even if it is not the one they presented. Creating the strongest form of the opponent's argument may involve

Allow me to give your side my best shot.

"The USofA is systemically racist and Wuhite Supermesist because...

The British outlawed the slave trade and possession from 1787. The USofA was perfected with the adaptation of it's Constitution in 1789, but didn't adopt the British attitude until after Bleeding Kansas.

Thomas Jefferson's insistence having a navy to suppress the Barbary Pirates was to stem the flow of White slaves, an obvious supremasist position.

QED."

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Back ontopic: Episode 2451 at 30:13: NPR, and Wikipedia (the same Wikipedia I just quoted), are captured.

He continues with a list of the current ills, until 46:30 where he proposes joining the enemy. This is exactly what I did working for Symantec for nine years. Sitting in a $900 Aeron chair, with good dental benefits, making a median income first and only time in my life; but I got to help a new person every 15 minutes with their problems that Bill Gates and Steve Ballmer had caused.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

The bottom line is that you two haven't engaged in honest discussion.

The bottom line is I made a joke, probably not that funny because of my dry, condemning style, and you took it seriously.

I'm not for climate catastrophism reparations for the reason I'm not for even more absurd notions of reparations (more absurd because I'm alive right now, and slaves in America are not).

You've caused me to explain an unfunny joke, which is the worst. How about this one. The tooth fairy is long overdue in payment for my last 3 teeth.

I will reply to anyone of goodwill (and assume it by default) on any subject whatsoever. That said, I'm only half the participants of 2 parties talking past each other.

Finally, I defined justice as those that are wronged being made whole by those who did the harming, and there has been no challenge to that definition. I can only assume that a non-challenge to that definition is defacto acceptance of it, and therefore any deviation from that is by definition injustice. I'm against injustice to the extent possible.

If the argument is that we should commit injustice, then I say no. If the dumb hoard insists we commit injustice, then I prefer to commit injustice as least harmingly to all individuals involved as possible. Some insist in maximum harm to all, and to them I have utter contempt.

[freebeard]

The few who were compensated were slave owners in Washington DC- for their loss of property.

[citation needed] on that one.

Keep in mind, "History isn't what happened, it's a story about what happened"

History Is A Weapon › indexsmall-html
And The Time To Resist Is Now. - History Is A Weapon
This web page offers a selection of readings from various authors and movements that challenge the dominant narratives and power structures of U.S. history and society. The texts cover topics such as slavery, imperialism, war, resistance, feminism, and socialism.

As I understand it, after the Civil War came Reconstruction, where Americans sought to reconcile their differences. It was more than putting up statues. There was a movement called '40 acres and a mule-.

https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Forty_acres_and_a_mule
Forty acres and a mule - Wikipedia
Forty acres and a mule was part of Special Field Orders No. 15, a wartime order proclaimed by Union General William Tecumseh Sherman on January 16, 1865, during the American Civil War, to allot land to some freed families, in plots of land no larger than 40 acres (16 ha). Sherman later ordered the army to lend mules for the agrarian reform effort.

https://www.history.com › news › 40-acres-mule-promise
The Short-Lived Promise of '40 Acres and a Mule' - HISTORY
Nov 9, 2022After the Civil War, freed Black people were promised land by Union generals, but President Johnson reversed the decision. Learn how this reparations plan could have changed the course of racial history in America.

https://www.pbs.org › wnet › african-americans-many-rivers-to-cross › history › the-truth-behind-40-acres-and-a-mule
The Truth Behind '40 Acres and a Mule' - PBS
Learn how black leaders in Savannah, Ga., proposed the radical idea of land redistribution to former slaves after the Civil War. Discover the origins, implications and legacy of the "40 acres and a mule" promise.

Note that Andrew Johnson was a Democrat. I've already mentioned Liberia.

I only use PMs for housekeeping; the lurkers can't see into there.

Let me steel-man again. Gavin Christopher Newsom has figured the dilemma out, any free black in California in 1900's living descendents get $1.2 million each from California tax payers. See how easy that is?

Edit: One minute delta.