Scott Adams Thread (Garfield Cartoonist)

[freebeard]

If there's a need to elaborate, it's you two ... elaborating less.

Tu quoque.

"You've got my whole fallacy wrong" -- Marshall McLuhan

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I'm ready to change any opinion in an instant given sufficient evidence and reason.

I suspect that you guys think that volume is more important than principles. I've posted some straightforward comments based on ~facts and good principles. Neither of you have addressed them sufficiently; lots of words (volume) at a fairly high noise level (volume). It looks like you've been soaking in alternative right media for a long time. You've said several times that you're open to changing your opinions, but your comments' habits, strategies, and tactics appear as you avoiding honest discussion. The way you can change my mind on this is by sufficiently addressing the ~facts and principles I posted. Otherwise, the discussion hasn't gone anywhere.

[freebeard]

I've posted some straightforward comments based on ~facts and good principles. Neither of you have addressed them sufficiently...

In other words we haven't said what you want to hear.

Otherwise, the discussion hasn't gone anywhere.

Still waiting to hear how you propose to resolve the dilemma you postulate. Who does what to who?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

I've posted some straightforward comments based on ~facts and good principles.

We're susceptible to conflate feeling and fact. As they say, we decide first and reason later.

Feeling is an equal partner to reason, because it informs the value hierarchy. When one feels, it's necessary to temper it by the process of reason. In other words, "listen to your heart" is nonsense pushed by Disney to make slaves of us. The easiest thing to do is listen to the heart, requires nothing, meanwhile justifies absolutely anything, because it assumes passion is pure.

We talk past one another when we don't define the feeling (value hierarchy).

[freebeard]

Puts me in mind of The Kongos Come With Me Now

I think with my heart and I move with my head
I open my mouth and it's something I've read
I stood at this door before, I'm told
But a part of me knows that I'm growing too old
Confused what I thought with something I felt
Confuse what I feel with something that's real
I tried to sell my soul last night
Funny, he wouldn't even take a bite

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

It looks like you've been soaking in alternative right media for a long time.

Sooo... Are you aware your posting in a Scott Adams thread?

[sgtlethargic]

The bottom line is that you two haven't engaged in honest discussion.

[freebeard]

Still waiting for you to answer your own question, since you don't like ours.

[sgtlethargic]

What supposed question of mine would that be?

[freebeard]

The one we don't answer to your satisfaction? Permalink #434:

I asked you a specific question and your replies had nothing to do with the question, and frankly, it's like you're speaking in riddles.

Here's the question, again:

Who do you supposedly want to repatriate?

Which I reframed as

Still waiting to hear how you propose to resolve the dilemma you postulate. Who does what to who?

[sgtlethargic]

That's not "my own" question. As in, I asked you to state who you want to repatriate. I haven't said that I want to repatriate anyone.

Descendants of chattel slaves can't be repatriated because the US is their own country.