Scott Adams Thread (Garfield Cartoonist)

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Further to the point; if one's forebears declined the free boat ride to Liberia (you should see how that turned out*), the whole thing is a grift.

Self-selection cuts through a lot of complexity.

*edit:
Spoiler: the returnees colonized the indigenous people.

Say what?

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Give it to 'em then. Give it hard.

I'm black, so PM me for where to send the checks.

You wanna take a shot at it?

[freebeard]

Say what?

Could you be less specific?

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Could you be less specific?

I asked you a specific question and your replies had nothing to do with the question, and frankly, it's like you're speaking in riddles.

Here's the question, again:

Who do you supposedly want to repatriate?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Helping the "Global South" has been a (good) part of the plan for years. But the "Global North" isn't going to do that. The "Global North" is busy grinding what's left of Earth's ecosystems down via industrialism and the war machine, which are intertwined. It's amazing how utterly stupid humanity is.

The global north, like Russia and Norway? The global south like Australia and New Zealand?

Whose plan?

I agree humanity has figured out how to have more impact on nature through use of technology, but there was never any stopping it. Carpe diem is hardcoded into the DNA of humanity.

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Regarding reparations: Black people have been were owed reparations for centuries [ago].

That statement follows reason, and me being a reasonable person, would agree with it.

They're dead though, so that's why it's relegated to history. With no prospect of a time machine likely, my bet is that it will remain unfixed in history, for all of time.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

That statement follows reason, and me being a reasonable person, would agree with it.

They're dead though, so that's why it's relegated to history. With no prospect of a time machine likely, my bet is that it will remain unfixed in history, for all of time.

It's not reasonable to not pay what is owed. All one would have to do is never pay what is owed until the people are dead. Justice delayed indefinitely is justice denied.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I agree humanity has figured out how to have more impact on nature through use of technology, but there was never any stopping it. Carpe diem is hardcoded into the DNA of humanity.

What is that supposed to mean? Humans have to destroy what's left of Earth's ecosystems because it's in our DNA?

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

It's not reasonable to not pay what is owed. All one would have to do is never pay what is owed until the people are dead. Justice delayed indefinitely is justice denied.

Suggest how we extract from the exploiters who are long dead, to repay the exploited who are long dead, and I'm completely onboard for making those wrongdoers pay the wronged.

Any other scheme is a injustice, by definition.

[sgtlethargic]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Suggest how we extract from the exploiters who are long dead, to repay the exploited who are long dead, and I'm completely onboard for making those wrongdoers pay the wronged.

Any other scheme is a injustice, by definition.

Your last statement is incorrect. As I already showed, injustice has prevailed.

Chattel slavery is not a case of individual exploitation- it's a case of systemic exploitation, and therefore the solutions should be systemic.

It wasn't outlaws who exploited slaves- it was legalized exploitation. So, again, the solutions should be systemic.

The US benefited from the systemic exploitation of slaves- as in, the collective benefited, therefore the collective is who should make reparations.

We know which group of people was wronged, and that those wrongs caused lasting generational harm, therefore we know what group is owed reparations.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sgtlethargic

Your last statement is incorrect. As I already showed, injustice has prevailed.

Correct me if I'm misinterpreting your opinion. I implied that justice is extracting what is owed from the wrongdoer, and making whole the wronged. My last statement was that anything else is injustice, by definition.

The set of circumstances are;

• The wrongdoers pay the wronged
• The wrongdoers pay the not-wronged
• The not-wrongdoers pay the wronged
• The not-wrondoers pay the not-wronged

The definition of justice includes only one of those scenarios, and as such, any other definition is injustice. Do you disagree, and if so, how?

Chattel slavery is not a case of individual exploitation- it's a case of systemic exploitation, and therefore the solutions should be systemic.

Agreed, and the exploited are long dead along with the exploiters, so it's relegated to history.

What solutions do you propose to right history for Genghis Khan? That system was pretty barbaric. Which reminds me, what solutions do you propose for Barbarism?

We're all waiting in anticipation for your solution to Kane's offence against Able. I guess God must pay since he let people make decisions. Would make for a wild story; God repaying the sins of mankind.

It wasn't outlaws who exploited slaves- it was legalized exploitation. So, again, the solutions should be systemic.

Like, outlawing slavery? Perhaps a system of no slavery? If that doesn't exist, I propose a system of no slavery, and harsh penalties for those who practice slavery.

The US benefited from the systemic exploitation of slaves- as in, the collective benefited, therefore the collective is who should make reparations.

Agreed. All them folks are dead, which is the problem. Current humanity also benefited from every caveman that clubbed a rival male to death and created our lineage, which has a 100% unbroken chain of reproduction among millions (probably orders of magnitude more) of generations. By definition, 100% of people alive today are the result of an unfathomable amount of prior exploitation.

The way you honor that privilege is to elevate yourself and the next generation by setting standards that are non-discriminatory across arbitrary categories like skin hue. All people are respected when those standards are expected of all, and when excellence is admired wherever it is found.

We know which group of people was wronged, and that those wrongs caused lasting generational harm, therefore we know what group is owed reparations.

Agreed. The dead folk who did not reproduce were exploited, and have no generation. Still don't have that time machine to make everything "better".