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View Poll Results: Should Scott walker and the legislature give up their pensions and health benefits?
Yes I think he and the legislature should volutarily give up all pay this year 7 26.92%
Yes I think the legislature should at least match the cuts and limits proposed to teachers 12 46.15%
Yes the 15% cuts and pension cuts should be across the board 8 30.77%
No he is too important 4 15.38%
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Old 02-22-2011, 01:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Let's just cut to the chase.
Why the hxxx do state workers need a union to get paid tax dollars??????
And when the ability to pay taxes dries up....who in the Hxxx do these state workers think they are to demand they get to keep all the goodys they stole from the tax payor all these years? Who said that a govt worker should get 30 or 40 or 50 or 60 or 70% of their pay for the rest of their lives???
Whining pigs.

SO your stupid onesided union poll.......
WHINING CUT THEIR PAY!!!!!!
instead of getting a high paying cush job that you can't get fired from, why don't you get of your axx and run for office. Take a risk (oh sorry, your union) spend a crapload of your own time and money and risk losing an election.
When you can make a real life fair comparison. call me.

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Old 02-22-2011, 01:22 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Additionally, the new governor here in NY, Andrew Cuomo, is in the process of laying off some of the state workforce, freezing pay and hirings, and cutting state budgets across the board... including (gasp!) healthcare, transportation/construction, and education, all in an effort to keep the state out of bankruptcy (same problem as Wisconsin). Yet theres no national media coverage, no public-employee "riots", no calls for him to surrender his pay. Just a few NY-union TV ads complaining. Why is that? Does the outburst over Gov. Walker have more to do with his party affiliation? NY Gov. Cuomo has a (D) after his name, which apparently is a carte blanche to cut budgets without media coverage and riots (people here generally think he is doing whats best for the state). Gov. Walker is facing the same budget crisis, near-insolvency of the state, and a ballooning deficit, and is approaching the issue in much the same manner (albeit a more permanent solution-cripple the unions), yet gets the opposite reaction. Interesting...
Well said Tim.
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There is no comparision between public(union)sector jobs and private sector jobs
1. all public sector jobs -100% so even the worst employee get benefits
inthe private sector only about 10% get an equal benefit.
2. the govtmnt employee has a higher total package than the private sector.
3. government jobs DO NOT flow with the existing economic conditions. They get to keep everything the ever bargined for. Not so in the private sector.

When you peel the layers away, you find uot what leaches the govnmt unions have been.
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One reason Cuomo is getting a different reception is that the first thing he cut was his own pay.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/04/ny.../04unions.html
 
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What the Democrats need to remember is that the income of the individual does not exist for them to redistribute it. It exists for the benefit of the individual. Higher and higher taxes just take away the incentive to work or to live in a certain place. For example, I would love to live in New York again but there is no way I could afford the taxes. Property and school taxes for me would be about 10X what I pay in Florida and don't even get into the state income tax and sales tax rates there. I am not a wealthy person either. I am working class and make less than $30k a year. However, the taxes would keep me from realizing my dreams and improving my life so I am forced to live in Florida. This is also why the wealthy are fleeing states like New York and New Jersey in droves. The states therefore receive NO taxes from these people and they are losing the very people their social system relies on to pay for all of their social programs. Cities like Detroit also suffer under the weight of excessive taxation where the only people left are those that cannot afford to flee. Government can and must do less if we want any hope of saving our country. We cannot afford to keep adding to it's responsibilities anymore and paying for them by saddling future generations with debt. The free ride is over. Now it is time to pay the piper and start living within our means.
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From a friend's Facebook note, "Only 5 states don't have collective bargaining for educators. Those states rank as follows, re: avg. SAT+ACT scores: South Carolina 50th, North Carolina 49th, Georg...ia 48th, Texas 47th, Virginia 44th. Wisconsin is 2nd. http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/project...SCHARTsat.html

Numbers are a bit old (1999), but interesting."

You get what you pay for. Go cheap on teachers & public services, and your children & state will suffer.
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I'm an outsider but just to ask a question - how much tax and pension would these guys pay in total from their salary ?

As a rough % even.
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I wonder where all this concern for thrift was when we were nation building all over the globe?
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I wonder where all this concern for thrift was when we were nation building all over the globe?
It's short-sighted and will cause more unemployment. You're absolutely right about getting the government you deserve, and those who elected leaders to be thrifty in this way will soon regret their choices.
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