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Old 08-10-2017, 01:03 PM   #151 (permalink)
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If the car has temperature control, then it's cheaper use the display to set the temperature than to have separate buttons and LCD display.
But why do you need an LCD display for temperature? You simply adjust heater/defroster levers to "comfortable" and "I can see out". Comfortable is not going to be one fixed temperature.

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Finally, the type of people who buy a Tesla are the type that like automated design.
Which means they're deliberately choosing to limit their market. Fine for the sort of people who like that sort of thing, but unless they change, they'll always be a niche player.

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But why do you need an LCD display for temperature? You simply adjust heater/defroster levers to "comfortable" and "I can see out". Comfortable is not going to be one fixed temperature.
My son's Charger SRT-8 has infrared sensors that monitor the occupants of the front seats so it adjusts their zones appropriately.
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To me, the best location for EV plug stations would be at hotels/motels along interstate freeways, since long-distance traveling is the EV's "Achilles heel." Around town, most people recharge overnight at their homes.
Exactly. Nobody considers 30+ minutes to be a "quick" charge, especially when that only gets you another 100 miles or so.

Eliminating even 1 of these quick charge stops by plugging in at the hotel and getting a full charge makes for a much more pleasant experience.
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It all depends on your needs.

The longest trip I took in the last 5 years was 400 km (250 miles) one way, twice.
Still needed to rest and eat along the way.

130 km (80 miles) trips are frequent though. A 300 km range should suit me fine for that. Wouldn't even need to charge at my destination.

The charger network over here is dense, so one could pretty much chance it on range and just take a 10 minute charge somewhere when it runs short.

Anyway, the road agency's advice over here is to rest for half an hour after every 2 hours of driving. Following that advice, anything with a range over 2 hours worth and a quick charge option would suffice.
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250 miles is the most I have ever done in a day. But that would include at least one stop for lunch and another couple of stops for coffee.
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To me, the best location for EV plug stations would be at hotels/motels along interstate freeways, since long-distance traveling is the EV's "Achilles heel." Around town, most people recharge overnight at their homes.


ADDENDUM - other good candidates would also be freeway-adjacent restaurants and diners...but probably NOT fast-food joints (wink,wink)
I think it's most important to get 110vac outlets first, especially at motels/hotels/places of work.

It would be nice if there were an L2 on my one long weekly trip, but I doubt it would ever happen.

220vac at gas stations would be nice though, today they are all 110vac which only nets a mile or two during a pit stop.

Today there is zero quick chargers along Hwy 10,51 or 29 in Wisconsin,
When there is it's in a city, to be honest I need L2 in the middle of no where not in the city

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Anyway, the road agency's advice over here is to rest for half an hour after every 2 hours of driving. Following that advice, anything with a range over 2 hours worth and a quick charge option would suffice.
I drive for as long as I have fuel, and use the bathroom and stretch when filling the car. This is usually every 400 miles or 5.5 hours.

The problem is that "quick" charges aren't quick. They are about an hour for 120 miles of range. You end up stopping for 1hr every 2 hrs, which is extremely slow.

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250 miles is the most I have ever done in a day. But that would include at least one stop for lunch and another couple of stops for coffee.
I stop for coffee and food when I stop for petrol, about every 5.5 hours.

My longest trip in a day was 1,200 miles. Santa Barbara > Santa Monica > Gresham OR > Salem The trip would have taken several days in an EV, and I had a van full of people.

In May I drove 560 miles 1 way Vancouver, WA > Twin Falls, ID. I was on the company clock, so they wouldn't have been OK with me spending 3+ hrs charging on the trip. Not only that, but I was already running 2hrs late since I hadn't planned to drive (bridge to the airport was shut down due to wreck).

I will need to drive to Medford (300 miles) occasionally, which would require at least 2 charges, possibly 3. Completing the trip in an EV would be made more enjoyable and less time consuming if I could charge at a hotel.

It makes sense to drive anything less than about 400 miles since it takes time to get through the airports, and then travel to your destination.
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Last weekend I drove to Buffalo NY from Burlington VT, which is about 400 miles. It's hard to find even a gas station in the Adirondacks, much less an EV charging station. I could certainly use an EV for most of my local driving, but I've basically replaced my car with an electric bicycle for that anyway, and an EV is not appropriate where I live for any of my weekend trips.
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I drive for as long as I have fuel, and use the bathroom and stretch when filling the car. This is usually every 400 miles or 5.5 hours.

The problem is that "quick" charges aren't quick. They are about an hour for 120 miles of range. You end up stopping for 1hr every 2 hrs, which is extremely slow.

I stop for coffee and food when I stop for petrol, about every 5.5 hours.

My longest trip in a day was 1,200 miles. Santa Barbara > Santa Monica > Gresham OR > Salem The trip would have taken several days in an EV, and I had a van full of people.

In May I drove 560 miles 1 way Vancouver, WA > Twin Falls, ID. I was on the company clock, so they wouldn't have been OK with me spending 3+ hrs charging on the trip. Not only that, but I was already running 2hrs late since I hadn't planned to drive (bridge to the airport was shut down due to wreck).

I will need to drive to Medford (300 miles) occasionally, which would require at least 2 charges, possibly 3. Completing the trip in an EV would be made more enjoyable and less time consuming if I could charge at a hotel.

It make sense to drive anything less than about 400 miles since it takes time to get through the airports, and then travel to your destination.
I've driven a rental car in California and Nevada; if Oregon is anything like that I can get how you can drive for 4 hours on end
The Netherlands are 7 times as small as Oregon and 5 times as densely populated, and I live in one of its busiest areas. Our roads are very crowded and traffic is always merging and splitting. You have to be constant at the alert. You are never alone, not even in the dead of night. 2 hours of that then you desperately need a break.

A 'quick charge' on a Tesla Model 3 with its 75 kWh battery should top it to its full range of almost 300 miles if you allowed it to last a full hour.
But it will be over 80% full in about half an hour?
Ain't perfect, still not that bad.

It all depends on your needs. My trips are seldom longer than 80 miles and I can charge for free at the office. I'm looking into buying an EV...

I don't mind the stops, if I ever need them, that bad. I can work during a stop if I feel like it.
I hope for self-driving to become reality well before I retire; then I could even work while I'm on the move.
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