BORPower additive?

[freebeard]

Without the 'Art of War' ( the foundation of statecraft ), none mentioned would have been secure enough to have pursued their interests, even Machiavelli/ Da Vinci.

You're putting it above the Bible and Euclid's Elements?

Euclid's Elements has been referred to as the most successful[a][b] and influential[c] textbook ever written.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

You're putting it above the Bible and Euclid's Elements?

I am.
The Old Testament was written by Caananites about 1500 B.C. It competes with around a million other religions. And 'book sales' do not validate the 'rightness' of 'Christianity' over any other man-made belief system. I worship duct tape, along with botanist Mark Watney.
And 13th-Century, English Franciscan Friar, William of Ockham had arrived at, for the 'Church', that the invocation of a 'god', as being necessary to explain the existence of our Universe wasn't logically required.
As to Euclid, he came thousands of years after Sun Tsu published. And for him to be in a position to ponder his universe, would require the stability, security, shelter, safety, surplus sustenance, etc., only afforded by a viable nation state, in order for him to 'self-actualize.'
It's a 1st- Principle thing laid out by Sun Tsu.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Logic

Let me rephrase that for you without the acronyms:

Any time you want to have a little IQ test competition, just say the word My Friend!!!

If the moderators are cool with it, I'll go along. But it's good for all of us to self-screen our 'wording' so as not to introduce any ambiguities which could be misinterpreted.

[freebeard]

Why would the mods get involved, as referee or judge?

I already started at Permalink #279.

Since then I have learned there is a Moral Circle:

Wikipedia
The Moral Circle - Wikipedia
The Moral Circle: Who Matters, What Matters, and Why is a 2025 book by philosopher Jeff Sebo.In the book, Sebo calls for a fundamental shift in ethics, advocating for the expansion of humanity's moral circle to include not just humans, but also animals, insects, AI systems, and even microbes. He critiques

The results being reported so far are ....interesting.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

As to Euclid, he came thousands of years after Sun Tsu published. And for him to be in a position to ponder his universe, would require the stability, security, shelter, safety, surplus sustenance, etc., only afforded by a viable nation state, in order for him to 'self-actualize.'
It's a 1st- Principle thing laid out by Sun Tsu.

[klaxon]
Three hundred years.

The viable nation state would necessarily precede to writings of Sun Tzu. Hammurabi?

Hammurabi
Sixth king of Babylon (r. 1792–1750 BC)
Hammurabi, also spelled Hammurapi, was the sixth Amorite king of the Old Babylonian Empire, reigning from c. 1792 to c. 1750 BC. He was preceded by his father, Sin-Muballit, who abdicated due to failing health. During his reign, he conquered the city-states of Larsa, Eshnunna, and Mari. Wikipedia

Euclid was a necessary precursor to your 1930s Zepplin engineers, not Sun Tzu. Here's a suggestion: Sun Tzu is superceded by the OODA Loop.

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If the moderators are cool with it, I'll go along.

Better to ask forgiveness... Move fast and break things. Flood the zone.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Why would the mods get involved, as referee or judge?

I already started at Permalink #279.

Since then I have learned there is a Moral Circle:

The results being reported so far are ....interesting.

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[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

[klaxon]
Three hundred years.

The viable nation state would necessarily precede to writings of Sun Tzu. Hammurabi?



Euclid was a necessary precursor to your 1930s Zepplin engineers, not Sun Tzu. Here's a suggestion: Sun Tzu is superceded by the OODA Loop.

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Better to ask forgiveness... Move fast and break things. Flood the zone.

Whoops! Made a pretty good dog's breakfast of the chronology.
Only about 150-years between Art of War and birth of Euclid.
The point I want to stress is that, Sun Tsu explains how a nation state evolves, which requires a surplus food supply, all 'needs' met, in order to create a 'privileged-class'/ patronage, with the luxury of time to sit around thinking about novel 'inventions' which serves the 'military industrial complex' if you will.
Euclid wasn't a dirt farmer living at a subsistence level, devoid of time other than scratching out a living every day until death.
In engineering or tribology you 'spy', you 'scout', you 'reconnoiter', you 'infiltrate', you 'sleep with the enemy', etc., 'intellectually'.

[aerohead]

So, the 'Boron' US Patent dates to 1991.
The technology associated with automobiles of 1991 no longer exist:
- aerodynamics
- computers ( electronic control units )
- driving
- engines
- engine accessories
- emission controls
- fuels
- ignition systems
- lubricants
- mass ( weight / inertia / momentum )
- powertrains
- 'reference oils' used in testing
- rolling-resistance
- sensors
- testing infrastructure
- traffic conditions
- traffic controls
- weather
The 'solution' Boron held promise for with respect to 'problems' which existed in 1991 must be re-framed within the context of automotive technology as it exists today.
And bear in mind that, 'Boron' was never originally intended for anything other than a friction-modifier for 'new' automobiles and their engines.

[freebeard]

Whoops! Made a pretty good dog's breakfast of the chronology.
...
Sun Tsu explains how a nation state evolves

Sun TZU wrote Art of War. There were no nation states at that time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation_state#Origins

The origins and early history of nation-states are disputed. A major theoretical question is: "Which came first, the nation or the nation-state?" Scholars such as Steven Weber, David Woodward, Michel Foucault and Jeremy Black[10][11][12] have advanced the hypothesis that the nation-state did not arise out of political ingenuity or an unknown undetermined source, nor was it a political invention; rather, it is an inadvertent by-product of 15th-century intellectual discoveries in political economy, capitalism, mercantilism, political geography, and geography[13][14] combined with cartography[15][16] and advances in map-making technologies.[17][18] It was with these intellectual discoveries and technological advances that the nation-state arose.

[freebeard]

The technology associated with automobiles of 1991 no longer exist:
- aerodynamics
...
- weather

What changed?