The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[sendler]

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If anyone does not think these reserchers are in the ball park can you show us where they went wrong?
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http://festkoerper-kernphysik.de/Wei...I_preprint.pdf
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[sendler]

I should have added: Let's just disregard Nuclear for now since nobody wants that. My concern is the ER/EI of solar PV in Germany performing at 4:1. Other studies have it no higher than 7 worldwide. Without any storage. Which would cut it in half. At this point it would be barely better than nothing for a simplified, Agrarian lifestyle for a much smaller total population.

[aerohead]

Some additional data:
*As of May,2017,the IPCC was predicting from less than one-foot,to 3.2-feet sea-level rise by 2100,with 'caveats.'(it could be higher)
*In 1978,Hans Weertman had isolated a mechanism for 'marine ice-sheet instability' which would lead to 'catastrophic sea-level rise' via deglaciation of the Thwaites Glacier,West Antarctica,predicting up to 16-feet of rapid sea-level rise in a matter of decades (which is happening now,according to Eric Rignot of NASA,and Ian Joughin of The University of Washington).

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

That's been the narrative forever:
We have to make drastic impossible changes by yesterday or we all die in the very near future.

Yes,that's the takeaway.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

That was Obama administration thinking.
Don't worry about the terrorists, worry about pollution and sea level rise. Even though the air and water are cleaner then they have been in decades.
Luckily the grown-ups are back I charge.

From:'An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its Implications for United States National Security,' U.S.Department of Defense,2003,commissioned by Andrew Marshall,for Donald Rumsfeld,U.S.Department of Defense,for President George.W.Bush,...............(threats to global stability posed by rapid warming vastly eclipse that of terrorism).......... 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life',........... 'Once again,warfare would define human life.'
*'If the scientists are right and temperatures continue to rise,we could face environmental,economic,and national security consequences far beyond our ability to imagine.' John McCain,US Senator,Arizona,Member,Senate Armed Services Committee,testimony before the Senate,2007.

[sendler]

Originally Posted by aerohead

From:'An Abrupt Climate Change Scenario and Its (threats to global stability posed by rapid warming vastly eclipse that of terrorism).......... 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life',........... 'Once again,warfare would define human life.'

Actually the same will be said about the global economy crash when the next debt bubble collapses and there is declining energy availability from dwindling fossil fuels to try to prop it up again. And this will happen much sooner than any climate change complications.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

So what was the Obama administration doing to stop global warming?
As far as I can tell all they did was shut down some coal power plants early, confiscate a bunch of VWs, tried to stop fracking for natural gas which was the main reason coal was already in decline and block nuclear power plants during the first term, his second term appeared to quietly become pro nuclear, both nuclear weapons and power generation.

The wild fires may be a product of 60 to 70 years of modern forestry putting out small forest fires, interrupting the natural fire cycle. Allowing tree, plant and dead material density to build up way beyond natural levels.
So yes I believe that the wild fires are absolutely a direct result of man's actions in one or more ways.

Obama had Leon Panetta looking into it in the CIA,with his Center on Climate Change and National Security,which drew fire from Congressman John Barrasso,(R),Wyoming (COAL),who threatened to defund it after The CIA-National Academy of Sciences report on climate-national security was finalized,around September,2011,when Panetta was gone and General David Petraeus was Director,CIA.
The Center's Academy report authors were under constant pressure to water down their conclusions.
On the day the report was issued the press conference was cancelled.
The report was buried.
In a few weeks the Center was disbanded.
The credibility of the intelligence community in a conversation about climate change was probably of such danger to special interests that the information had to be killed in the crib before it had a chance to gain any traction in a public conversation.
Daniel Chiu was also attacked by Barrasso in 2014 for associating national security in thee same sentence with climate.
House amendments to defense appropriations bills are enough to kill off any 'action'.
Similar tactics were used in 1977,when a Senate Committee attempted to get rid of sugar-diabetes,heart disease,heart attacks,and stroke in America.
Obama would have had significant impact with his 2025 CAFE standards,but you can see what happening to those and who's doing it.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by Xist

So, you would use one of Venom's weaknesses against the other.

I always figure that if we could shade hot spots that would solve a number of problems. It is 120° in Phoenix? Here, have a hundred square miles of shade. Now it is 95°. You are welcome.

Twenty-five degrees may not make much of a difference in a forest fire. Aren't those hundreds of degrees? Still, weather bunnies always talk about the heat hurting and cool weather helping.

The fire fighters would undoubtedly appreciate it.

I remember some report about the poor fire fighters dealing with freezing temperatures. Sure, working in the cold makes most jobs more difficult, but if your job is putting out fires, it is kind of much easier, too.

Some have no confidence that we'll curtail emissions before we reach the point of no return,and we'll be forced into geo-engineering as a last ditch effort to save our bacon.
Perhaps entrepreneurial DNA is seeking the mother lode of profit-making with a guaranteed growth market problems.

[oil pan 4]

Sounds like Obama on many instances. He tried, he failed.


The problem with nuclear is people have trouble comprehending how much power s nuclear plant can produce and how little solar produces.

My extremely on the cheap solar build I want to do has a return on investment of around 4 or 5. Bit it depends how long the panels and inverters last.

[Xist]

Desperate people are surprisingly motivated.

Complacent people are surprisingly apathetic. Oh, they will shout that it is an outrage, and they will say something on social media, but then they will argue about strangers, probably about something unimportant.