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Old 11-27-2019, 01:59 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Trucks are classified by GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) which is the maximum allowed weight of the vehicle, passengers and cargo. We don’t know the Tesla’s GVWR so it is hard to know which class it falls into.

The relevant classes are:
2A 6,001 – 8,500 lbs
2B 8,501 – 10,000 lbs
3 10,001 – 14,000
The Tesla Cybertruck will be at least a class 2B if we assume:
Payload will be 3,500 lbs as claimed
The Cybertruck weighs as least as much as a Model X 100D (5,421 lbs)
(Which is reasonable as the Model X is 34 inches shorter than the Cybertruck and has an aluminum unibody instead of steel)

My guess is standard Cybertruck will be on the high side of Class 2B and the top trim will be a Class 3 due to the 17% larger size and steel construction.


So Musk is punching below his weight class when he compares the Cybertruck to a F-150

Ford’s offerings for 2B through 3 are:
F-150: Class 2A
The highest GVWR is 7,850 lbs. The highest payload is 3,270 lbs. The highest towing is 13,200 lbs. The starting price is $28,155

F-250: Class 2B
The highest GVWR is 10,000 lbs. The highest payload is 3,840 lbs. The highest towing is 18,500 lbs. The starting price is $33,150

F-350: Class 3
The highest GVWR is 14,000 lbs. The highest payload is 7,640 lbs. The highest towing is 21,000 lbs. The starting price is $34,320

F-450: Class 3
The highest GVWR is 14,000 lbs, The highest payload is 6,190 lbs. The highest towing is 35,000 lbs. The starting price is $47,375
*All Ford number are for 2019 models.

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Old 11-27-2019, 03:57 PM   #72 (permalink)
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That's the same conclusion Doug in that video Xist posted, though arrived at by comparing cost rather than class. People needing the most payload and towing per $ aren't the target market for this, clearly.

Pointless Tug O War videos are always clickbait. Maybe Tesla releases another clickbait video with bigger competitors, or maybe not.
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Old 11-27-2019, 04:07 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Tesla versus semi with bald tires!
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Old 11-27-2019, 05:13 PM   #74 (permalink)
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How about going up against Elizabeth Taylor's, Cleopatra's procession! That would be a photo-op.
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https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/tesla...uter-remmerie/

.48 and still without mirrors. I also think those wheel flairs look smaller on the model than the ones on the prototype.
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Old 11-28-2019, 12:40 AM   #76 (permalink)
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That seems like a reasonable analysis. It shows no separation at the top. I believe that max angle per Coanda or somebody is 45° and it's much less than that. The surprise is the top of the nose, but as I suspected, the chamfered front reduces the stagnation area.

The analysis of the tow I saw said the Ford's front wheel spin clockwise and the rear wheel spins counterclockwise ((two wheel drive)). And the German Expressionist camera angle made it look uphill.

I think the aero or towing capacity are beside the point. It initiates a new era of manufacturability. Six pasengers 500 miles for $70K. The aero will be fine on Mars. Isn't that the point anyway?
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I like how he compared the price of the cybertruck to a base model two wheel drive truck, instead of the crew cab upper level versions such as the F-150 Lariat ($48,975), King Ranch ($56,355) or even Platinum ($58,855). Heck even the low end XL 4X2 is $35,000 before options.

Edit: crew cab, 6.5' bed, 4x4 unless otherwise noted.

For just a couple of thousand more you can go electric. Depending on how far you drive a year you can save that in the first year with just fuel costs.

The only significant problem I see is when someone needs to tow long distances, I expect the range to drop by about 50%. Lucky for me most of my towing is under 100 miles.

Of course if the CD is .48 then towing range might not be affected that bad.

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I still really don't like the top of the cabin.
The argument for keeping everything angular was to be able to use flat panels of steel.
But the cabin roof is made of glass... Gently curving the glass in one direction does not seem impossible, no?



Anyway, styling wise it shares some elements with the Lamborgini Countach LP400S:



even though nothing curves on the Cybertruck and everything on the Lambo.
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I like how he compared the price of the cybertruck to a base model two wheel drive truck, instead of the crew cab upper level versions such as the F-150 Lariat ($48,975), King Ranch ($56,355) or even Platinum ($58,855). Heck even the low end XL 4X2 is $35,000 before options.

Edit: crew cab, 6.5' bed, 4x4 unless otherwise noted.

For just a couple of thousand more you can go electric. Depending on how far you drive a year you can save that in the first year with just fuel costs.

The only significant problem I see is when someone needs to tow long distances, I expect the range to drop by about 50%. Lucky for me most of my towing is under 100 miles.

Of course if the CD is .48 then towing range might not be affected that bad.
Getting 15% off MSRP on a F150 is by far the norm, if not 20% off. Getting 0% off a Tesla is 100% guaranteed.

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