Go Back   EcoModder Forum > EcoModding > Fossil Fuel Free
Register Now
 Register Now
 

Reply  Post New Thread
 
Submit Tools LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 11-27-2019, 12:59 PM   #71 (permalink)
JSH
AKA - Jason
 
JSH's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: PDX
Posts: 2,318

Adventure Seeker - '04 Chevy Astro - Campervan
90 day: 17.3 mpg (US)

Dieselgate - '14 VW Jetta Sportwagen TDI
90 day: 38.24 mpg (US)
Thanks: 170
Thanked 1,278 Times in 880 Posts
Trucks are classified by GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating) which is the maximum allowed weight of the vehicle, passengers and cargo. We don’t know the Tesla’s GVWR so it is hard to know which class it falls into.

The relevant classes are:
2A 6,001 – 8,500 lbs
2B 8,501 – 10,000 lbs
3 10,001 – 14,000
The Tesla Cybertruck will be at least a class 2B if we assume:
Payload will be 3,500 lbs as claimed
The Cybertruck weighs as least as much as a Model X 100D (5,421 lbs)
(Which is reasonable as the Model X is 34 inches shorter than the Cybertruck and has an aluminum unibody instead of steel)

My guess is standard Cybertruck will be on the high side of Class 2B and the top trim will be a Class 3 due to the 17% larger size and steel construction.


So Musk is punching below his weight class when he compares the Cybertruck to a F-150

Ford’s offerings for 2B through 3 are:
F-150: Class 2A
The highest GVWR is 7,850 lbs. The highest payload is 3,270 lbs. The highest towing is 13,200 lbs. The starting price is $28,155

F-250: Class 2B
The highest GVWR is 10,000 lbs. The highest payload is 3,840 lbs. The highest towing is 18,500 lbs. The starting price is $33,150

F-350: Class 3
The highest GVWR is 14,000 lbs. The highest payload is 7,640 lbs. The highest towing is 21,000 lbs. The starting price is $34,320

F-450: Class 3
The highest GVWR is 14,000 lbs, The highest payload is 6,190 lbs. The highest towing is 35,000 lbs. The starting price is $47,375
*All Ford number are for 2019 models.

  Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to JSH For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-27-2019), redpoint5 (11-27-2019), Xist (11-27-2019)
Alt Today
Popular topics

Other popular topics in this forum...

   
Old 11-27-2019, 02:57 PM   #72 (permalink)
Human Environmentalist
 
redpoint5's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Oregon
Posts: 9,385

Acura TSX - '06 Acura TSX
90 day: 28.24 mpg (US)

Lafawnda - '01 Honda CBR600 F4i
90 day: 47.32 mpg (US)

Big Yeller - '98 Dodge Ram 2500 base
90 day: 21.82 mpg (US)

Prius Plug-in - '12 Toyota Prius Plug-in
90 day: 57.64 mpg (US)

Mazda CX-5 - '17 Mazda CX-5 Touring
90 day: 27.07 mpg (US)
Thanks: 3,255
Thanked 3,573 Times in 2,670 Posts
That's the same conclusion Doug in that video Xist posted, though arrived at by comparing cost rather than class. People needing the most payload and towing per $ aren't the target market for this, clearly.

Pointless Tug O War videos are always clickbait. Maybe Tesla releases another clickbait video with bigger competitors, or maybe not.
__________________
Gas and Electric Vehicle Cost of Ownership Calculator







Give me absolute safety, or give me death!
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to redpoint5 For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-27-2019)
Old 11-27-2019, 03:07 PM   #73 (permalink)
Not Doug
 
Xist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Show Low, AZ
Posts: 10,689

Chorizo - '00 Honda Civic HX, baby! :D
90 day: 35.35 mpg (US)

Mid-Life Crisis Fighter - '99 Honda Accord LX
90 day: 33.43 mpg (US)

Gramps - '04 Toyota Camry LE
90 day: 33.15 mpg (US)
Thanks: 7,010
Thanked 1,997 Times in 1,522 Posts
Tesla versus semi with bald tires!
__________________
"Oh if you use math, reason, and logic you will be hated."--OilPan4
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Xist For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-27-2019)
Old 11-27-2019, 04:13 PM   #74 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
aerohead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Sanger,Texas,U.S.A.
Posts: 13,032
Thanks: 20,880
Thanked 6,370 Times in 3,955 Posts
Tesla-pull

How about going up against Elizabeth Taylor's, Cleopatra's procession! That would be a photo-op.
__________________
Photobucket album: http://s1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj622/aerohead2/
  Reply With Quote
Old 11-27-2019, 10:57 PM   #75 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Missoula, MT
Posts: 2,402

Dark Egg - '12 VW Touraeg
Thanks: 242
Thanked 1,040 Times in 711 Posts
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/tesla...uter-remmerie/

.48 and still without mirrors. I also think those wheel flairs look smaller on the model than the ones on the prototype.
  Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to Hersbird For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-30-2019), freebeard (11-27-2019), JSH (11-28-2019), redpoint5 (11-28-2019)
Old 11-27-2019, 11:40 PM   #76 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 20,402
Thanks: 5,718
Thanked 6,649 Times in 5,368 Posts

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/tesla...uter-remmerie/
That seems like a reasonable analysis. It shows no separation at the top. I believe that max angle per Coanda or somebody is 45° and it's much less than that. The surprise is the top of the nose, but as I suspected, the chamfered front reduces the stagnation area.

The analysis of the tow I saw said the Ford's front wheel spin clockwise and the rear wheel spins counterclockwise ((two wheel drive)). And the German Expressionist camera angle made it look uphill.

I think the aero or towing capacity are beside the point. It initiates a new era of manufacturability. Six pasengers 500 miles for $70K. The aero will be fine on Mars. Isn't that the point anyway?
__________________

."Once men turned their thinking over to machines thinking this would set them free. This only allowed other men with machines to enslave them." Frank Herbert
____________________

Sadhguru: Yesterday isn't good or bad, it's gone.
____________________
  Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-30-2019), NeilBlanchard (11-30-2019), oldtamiyaphile (12-01-2019), The Armadillo (11-28-2019)
Old 11-28-2019, 02:54 AM   #77 (permalink)
The road not so traveled
 
TheEnemy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Mexico
Posts: 679

The Truck - '99 Nissan Frontier xe
90 day: 25.74 mpg (US)

The Ugly Duck - '84 Jeep CJ7 Rock crawler
Thanks: 18
Thanked 64 Times in 55 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Xist View Post
I like how he compared the price of the cybertruck to a base model two wheel drive truck, instead of the crew cab upper level versions such as the F-150 Lariat ($48,975), King Ranch ($56,355) or even Platinum ($58,855). Heck even the low end XL 4X2 is $35,000 before options.

Edit: crew cab, 6.5' bed, 4x4 unless otherwise noted.

For just a couple of thousand more you can go electric. Depending on how far you drive a year you can save that in the first year with just fuel costs.

The only significant problem I see is when someone needs to tow long distances, I expect the range to drop by about 50%. Lucky for me most of my towing is under 100 miles.

Of course if the CD is .48 then towing range might not be affected that bad.

Last edited by TheEnemy; 11-28-2019 at 03:00 AM..
  Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to TheEnemy For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-30-2019)
Old 11-28-2019, 07:38 AM   #78 (permalink)
In the fasting lane
 
RedDevil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands
Posts: 3,963

Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance
Team Honda
90 day: 52.11 mpg (US)
Thanks: 1,687
Thanked 2,203 Times in 1,427 Posts
I still really don't like the top of the cabin.
The argument for keeping everything angular was to be able to use flat panels of steel.
But the cabin roof is made of glass... Gently curving the glass in one direction does not seem impossible, no?



Anyway, styling wise it shares some elements with the Lamborgini Countach LP400S:



even though nothing curves on the Cybertruck and everything on the Lambo.
__________________
2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut.
lifetime FE over 0.17 Gmeter or 0.1 Mmile.



Investors woes:
"In hindsight, I should have placed a bet on the horse that won the race"
"In hindsight, I should have bet more on that horse"
  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to RedDevil For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-30-2019), oldtamiyaphile (12-01-2019)
Old 11-28-2019, 11:25 AM   #79 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
freebeard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: northwest of normal
Posts: 20,402
Thanks: 5,718
Thanked 6,649 Times in 5,368 Posts
Via Slashdot.org
tech.slashdot.org/.../dubai-is-adding-tesla-cybertrucks-to-its-police-car-fleet
__________________

."Once men turned their thinking over to machines thinking this would set them free. This only allowed other men with machines to enslave them." Frank Herbert
____________________

Sadhguru: Yesterday isn't good or bad, it's gone.
____________________
  Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to freebeard For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-30-2019), NeilBlanchard (11-30-2019), Xist (11-28-2019)
Old 11-28-2019, 12:25 PM   #80 (permalink)
Master EcoModder
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Missoula, MT
Posts: 2,402

Dark Egg - '12 VW Touraeg
Thanks: 242
Thanked 1,040 Times in 711 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheEnemy View Post
I like how he compared the price of the cybertruck to a base model two wheel drive truck, instead of the crew cab upper level versions such as the F-150 Lariat ($48,975), King Ranch ($56,355) or even Platinum ($58,855). Heck even the low end XL 4X2 is $35,000 before options.

Edit: crew cab, 6.5' bed, 4x4 unless otherwise noted.

For just a couple of thousand more you can go electric. Depending on how far you drive a year you can save that in the first year with just fuel costs.

The only significant problem I see is when someone needs to tow long distances, I expect the range to drop by about 50%. Lucky for me most of my towing is under 100 miles.

Of course if the CD is .48 then towing range might not be affected that bad.
Getting 15% off MSRP on a F150 is by far the norm, if not 20% off. Getting 0% off a Tesla is 100% guaranteed.

  Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Hersbird For This Useful Post:
aerohead (11-30-2019), redpoint5 (11-28-2019)
Reply  Post New Thread


Thread Tools




Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Content Relevant URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright EcoModder.com