The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

In 2010 I clearly rememer reading that global warming was supposed to make snowy winters a thing of the past.

We are still warming, at an accelerated rate.

The only thing that explains all the data - is that humans burning fossil fuels is causing global warming.
It is making the ocean more acidic, and melting virtually all land ice, more and more quickly.
We see greater evaporation, which leads to more precipitation.
We are seeing a weakened and wobbly jet stream, which lets the cold air to far lower latitudes than we used to see, just a few decades ago.
Wildfires and tornadoes don't have a season, anymore.
Species extinction is far more rapid than any of the previous 5 major extinctions.
Ice harvests which was a huge business 100 years ago - is not even possible now.
Building codes that required footings a minimum of 4' below the surface, are not needed, as the ground barely freezes a few inches deep, and thaws to mud numerous times during the winter.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I remember the 70s, if not clearly:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global...960s_and_1970s

This was never a scientific conclusion - because we cleaned up our particulate pollution that was slowing the warming trend.

[All Darc]

On China particulate polution it's still a very serius issue.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

So they're wrong again.
Oh and the seasonal polar vortex disappeared last week or the week before. Supposedly there is another snow storm going to hit central northern US and new England this week.

No, they are (still) correct. The formerly robust and strong polar vortex, is now wobbly and weakened, and the lobes or low and high pressure ridges are slow moving. This results in localized cold areas, and others that are warm, and the Arctic is much warmer than it used to be.

Arctic ice is melting more and more quickly. It was above freezing at the north pole - in complete darkness. That is crazy conditions.

[oil pan 4]

I was looking forward to no snow. I could care less what happens in the artic.

[Xist]

Arizona summers are already bad enough, thank you very much!

[freebeard]

Everybody complains about the weather. Grumble, grumble....

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I was looking forward to no snow. I could care less what happens in the artic.

Having no snow means a lot more, than just how it affects you and me.

Same for what happens in the Arctic - it affects the entire earth, and we all will be affected. Just because you can't see the Arctic from where you live, doesn't protect you from what is happening there.

[freebeard]

If a butterfly flapping it's wings in China can change your weather, imagine when they start injecting tons of silver iodide into the cold air going over the Himalayas.

https://weather.com/science/environm...etan-mountains

[oil pan 4]

I find china's weather modification much more disturbing than any of the fake news dooms day climate predictions.
A few times a year wouldn't worry me, trying to conjure a rain storm for a drought area, break up a flooding rain storm, clear the sky's so a harvest doesn't rot in the wet fields. But doing it all the time, the only logical out come is disaster.