The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[RedDevil]

If you look at the population density of Amish country and do the math for the available global agricultural area and population, then it is obvious a massive adaption of Amish farm methods would lead to mass extinction.

That is a bit drastic for the sake of sustainability, even if the Amish way is sustainable (in the different weather conditions and temperatures around the world f.i.)

A gradual adaptation might work. What is the Amish stance on birth control?

[redpoint5]

Pretty sure birth control is abstinence until marriage, and then it's controlled by the woman's fertility cycle.

[RedDevil]

So I take it the Amish generally have many children? How sustainable is that?

[Xist]

Amish families are large, with 6-7 children on average.

Yet Amish families remain large, with an agrarian tradition and a need for manual labor also supporting a high Amish birth rate.

How many children do Amish have?

So, needing 6-7 children to perform all of the labor on the farm is unsustainable?

How long before the Amish take over the U.S.?

[RedDevil]

It has to stop somewhere, or otherwise around the year 8500 or so there'd be more Amish than atoms in the universe.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Factory farming methods have been the most incredible human invention so far. We're not going to go back to hunting and gathering.

Just because something has unintended negative consequences (externalities) doesn't mean we abandon everything. It's a challenge to do less harm, not a challenge to give up and starve... and we would starve if modern farming methods were abandoned. It would make global warming look like a picnic.



Or, we could make incremental reductions in fossil fuel use; enough to not experience catastrophic economic hardship due to scare oil supply. We don't need to be off fossil fuels completely, only vastly reduce consumption eventually.

Energy production could look something like this in the future:

In 2017,James Hansen talked of reducing carbon emissions at 6%/year, if we're not to overshoot the 2-degree C average,mean global temperature target.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Stop factory farming?
Sure grow your own.
I attempted agricultural when I lived in maine 20 years ago. I was marginally successful growing my own. I was more successful with a rifle or shotgun, eating what was eating my garden.

I'm trying again in new Mexico but it's a completely different set of problems.

Right now may be peak food.
Growing your own may be our only option for fresh food in the near future.

Check out the YouTube chanel for "ice age farmer".

We're in the worst growing season in a century according to CBS News.Even our trees are dying.Sweet!

[Xist]

Firewood!

Forest fires...

We need to burn them before they spontaneously combust!

Or, like I keep saying, send the street sweepers through to clean up the underbrush.

[oil pan 4]

Massive crop failures have largely been due to a late start to the growing season because the weather didn't warm up as expected, then the spring tended to be cool and wet, then the summers were dry.

Glad to see CBS catching up to reality.
A few of the agricultural centric YouTube channels have been saying the world has been having bad growing seasons for a year now.
Last year in the northern hemisphere rains came late crops couldn't be harvested. In the southern hemisphere winter stayed late, spring was cool and damp, summer was dry then the same thing happened this year in the north.

So glad to see the lame stream media on board now that the problem has been known for nearly year.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

It has to stop somewhere, or otherwise around the year 8500 or so there'd be more Amish than atoms in the universe.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpaceAmish