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Old 10-24-2018, 04:24 PM   #3451 (permalink)
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The US by far puts the most money and man power into the UN and then they try to screw us every way possible.

China is being ignored.
Maybe some one can find a report of where the UN asks china for a ludicrous amount of money to fix their global warming?
I think that would be like trying to find cheap solar power.
Well,we haven't had WW-III yet,that's a pretty good investment.

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Old 10-24-2018, 04:29 PM   #3452 (permalink)
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I know it's not a scientific paper.
It's a sign of the times. Because you or Neil maybe both have insisted that the global cooling scare was limited to one or 2 out of context magazine articles.
Well it kind of looks like people were writing books about it too.
It was 'REAL' for many scientists.If you'd have looked into it,you'd know that.
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*The Sun has never varied 1%.1/10th of a percent is typical.
That's not true.
Solar wind varies from about 1 to 2 million miles per hour normally and up to 7 million miles per hour which is the fastest recorded from a CME.
Solar wind proton density varies by a factor of about 10x charge by even more.
Irradiance varies by less than 1% and that is what the believers hyper focus on.

If you were so sure why not sit back and relax and wait for the gold and icon data to come in?
Just like what I am doing.
But instead you guys get really worked up, almost like you are worried they are going to find something.
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Well,we haven't had WW-III yet,that's a pretty good investment.
The UN did nothing. JFK and piece through superior quality firepower kept the peace.
Now the UN is just a gang for criminals.
How about this, how many of you have actually worked with the UN?
If you have not, then what makes you think you have any idea what's going on?
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I saw an article by the AP calming there is an ipcc report saying that global warming may pause for up to 11 years.
I thought that was kind of odd, with all the CO2 china is pumping out.
Citation please?
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If they're wearing White Helmets they must be the good guys, right? Amirite?

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Go back 20 to 150 pages on this post to find it.
Forum software support is suboptimal. Google has it's tentacle into the Search feature, and there is no way [I know of] to collapse a thread into a[n expandable] list of usernames and dates.
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You want to know at all those solar wind and interstellar cosmetic ray satellites have in common?
None of them study the interaction between the solar wind, cosmic rays and the upper atmosphere.

Pioneer, at 60AU nope.
CPME, is way up there well out side the atmosphere if I remember correctly.
Ulysses just kind of bounced around the solar system, no where near the earths atmosphere.

Gold and ICON are specifically going to study the interaction. Gold is going to measure the space weather at around 100,000 miles in real time, icon is going to monitor the effect on the upper atmosphere.

Why are you guys so eager to dismiss the thing that provides all of earths energy as being in no way responsible for climate change?

It seems to me all the believers are legitimately in fear of what icon and gold are going to find.
*You infer that scientists have ignored the sun.
*I've just given you 221 examples to the contrary.
*The IMP-8 satellite was in Earth orbit monitoring the solar wind as Gold and ICON will.
*Perhaps you didn't understand that most cosmic rays don't make it as far as Earth.
*Why is it that you can't get it into your head that only solar irradiance has anything to do with the energy budget?
*You seem to know a lot about the results of a mission that's yet to fly.
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That's exactly it; making the situation of being poor more comfortable and convenient only produces more poor people.

I'm not even sure everyone being poor would be good for the environment either. The very poor, those living on the streets, dispose of everything rather than take care of it. They aren't washing their clothes, instead they are getting new (or used) clothes and discarding what they were wearing.

aerohead- What do you think about tiered pricing for energy, water, gas use? A progressive rate structure such that those who are poor can afford to utilize some minimum amount, with progressively higher rates for those who use more?
I think it's probably one of the few market-based mechanisms that have any legs.
Some baseline might be established for utilities, at a given rate per capita.
If you break out with consumption,there's a negative reinforcement,as now you're consuming a resource which could be used by another family unit,and the unit price now jumps to the next level.
If you insist on this level,you're really going to pay.And community pressure may provide enough stigma,that one would be reluctant to stray too far.
Super-efficient users could trade unused capacity,like cap and trade does.
There could be incentives all across the energy marketplace.
If we could capture the carbon it would never be an issue.
In Texas,they're already doing this with municipal water supplies.Electricity and gas,and fuel could follow.
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Oil companies admit the climate is changing but insist man has nothing to do with it.
Admitting they are the cause is financial suicide.
Then every 2 bit world country is going to try and sue them for perceived damages.

I say the plant started warming 14,000 years ago and hasn't stopped and that the climate has been changing for at least the last 2.5 billion years and has never stopped.
Some of the largest oil companies were onboard with anthropogenic climate change,but when the US Government elected to do nothing about it,they figured that no one of significance took it serious enough to do anything,and what the heck!
And since there's still a $trillion worth of oil in the ground,why not go after that.
And the word is,that the Supreme Court has put a stay on the Children's Trust lawsuit,which was to go to Federal District Court,in Oregon,November,8,2018,so,so far,We The People, aren't as much of a 'people' as a 14th Amendment, multinational corporation.
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So what do we do? Just let 1% of the world continue to harvest 80% of the new wealth year after year? Automation will continue to make this worse as the labor surplus increases.
This is one of the best questions to come up.And since societies have struggled with this same question for centuries,I'm looking in the rear view mirror to see if there's anything applicable to the forward view mirror.

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