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Old 02-24-2019, 06:21 PM   #5111 (permalink)
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That's a long one. I paused at

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It is unrealistic to imagine that we could jump into a full-scale infrastructure replacement in one year.
Well then, it's good that the Democrats are giving us ten.

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Mining the $2,000/ MWh peaks and really making only an intermittent 2.5% contribution.
It isn't the size of the contribution so much as the immediacy. Imagine what Software Defined Electricity could do.

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Old 02-24-2019, 09:25 PM   #5112 (permalink)
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Some new regions were added to electricitymap.org.
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Ontario is very clean.
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https://www.electricitymap.org/?page...ntryCode=CA-ON
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Not the specific day I was looking for but this shows the completely insignificant little brown blips at the bottom indicating the South Australia Big battery discharge. They are still unfortunately using up to 20% diesel and importing at high cost 10% at times from Victorian coal since they shuttered most of their own coal plants. Some of the most expensive electricity in the world. Fixed income residents can't afford their AC and industry is leaving.
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Put the blame where it belongs.

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...cartel-to-heel
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The Australian Energy Market Operator called – as it often does – for generators in South Australia to provide a modest amount of network services known as FCAS, or frequency control and ancillary services.
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The big gas generators – even though they have 10 times more capacity than is required – have systematically rorted the situation, sometimes charging up to $7m a day for a service that normally comes at one-tenth of the price.
The gas cartel was driving up the cost of electricity and driving out the business.
The battery prevents that.

Apart from that kind of interventions the battery operates on the second and millisecond level. A day scale does not do it justice.
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Well just as I suspected that over priced battery isn't really doing anything besides providing false hope.
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Well just as I suspected that over priced battery isn't really doing anything besides providing false hope.
That $66 million battery that earned back $40 million in just one year?
The battery that brings down electricity costs?
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I doubt it brought down costs more than if they just took that 66 million dollars and built a 50Gw power plant.

A big grid battery isn't going to do anything to produce power to charge electric vehicles that are supposed to be replacing oil powered cars.

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A big grid battery won't do the laundy either. It won't brush your teeth. It won't wipe your *.
It will just do what it was designed to do.

There's no such thing as a 50 GW power station.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...power_stations

A power plant would cost about $900 - $5,000 per kW to build, depending on the energy source. https://www.eia.gov/electricity/generatorcosts/
Those (2016) numbers are outdated though, Tesla's 100 MW battery would cost 176.3 million by their reckoning.
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The input of the (Big) battery is so miniscule (35MW out of 2GW) that it could have no major impact on the pricing. See the tiny brown blips at the bottom of the chart to get an idea of the scale.
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The articles that were linked make only suppositions to correlation of a price decrease since it's installation. Not Causation. I think what probably happened is that it did open the eyes of the gas plants that if they kept gouging, they would open the door for investors to cash in on the current predicament of too much % of unreliable intermittents by building 20 more batteries.
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Doesn't have to all be one power plant.
I was thinking solar since it can be put in lots of places in the US and it's the only one that can be installed for as little as $1 per watt, not usually $1 per watt but I'm trying to be optimistic.

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