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Old 02-28-2019, 09:55 PM   #5211 (permalink)
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The house climate change hearing has ended.
Because no democrats bothered to show up.
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Yeah they seem like they are really convinced climate change is so dangerous. They say they care but their actions paint a completly different picture.
This is a perfect example of typically of believer behavior.
Remember how I said the climate change movement is falling apart, this is only the beginning.
You or freebeard have a link? Because I could find nothing in legitimate media to corroborate anything even close to what you assert.

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Old 02-28-2019, 10:06 PM   #5212 (permalink)
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Three-story vertical farms with Alfalfa sprouts and other greens robotically packaged and dispensed at street level. Bring the production to the point of use.
How many alfalfa stands does it take to equal the production of 5 billion hectares of fields in the sun with fertilizer and pumped irrigation?
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You or freebeard have a link? Because I could find nothing in legitimate media to corroborate anything even close to what you assert.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...change-1219492

It was a small subcommittee hearing on Climate Change Denial, one of several for the week, with only six Congressmen in attendance. Two Dems and four Republicans. The Republicans seized the opportunity to call for a vote before the hearing even started.

When, in all reality, they could have called a vote for a subcommittee resolution junking the whole idea of denial. Instead, they went for the easy win.

Oh well. Politics. Not like this does anything at all except give the GOP brownie points with its fanbase.
 
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OK, Politico corroborates what transpired, but o.p's assertion that it was "the" climate hearing and dems don't care and the movement is falling apart... is quite a stretch.
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You or freebeard have a link? Because I could find nothing in legitimate media to corroborate anything even close to what you assert.
Nope saw it on c-span. The house hearing panel voted something like 13 or 15 to 2 to continue the hearings.
I would have to say seeing them vote it down in flames live is good enough for me.

It's not a stretch, it's just the begining of the end.
Let's see, what do we have working against climate change.
70 to 80% of believers won't even consider buying an electric vehicle, because it would be too much of an inconvenience.
68% of America voters refuse to pay more than $10 a month to fix climate change
57% say they would pay $1 per month, wow you guys are just dripping with dedication.
12% of voters believe the government should be given the power to fix climate change.
Less than 5% of believers drive a plug in vehicle.
0% or effectively 0% of house dems bothered to show up to the hearing to keep it going, I guess they had more important lines of coke and hookers to do.

If this isn't the beginning of the end, then what is it?
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Nope saw it on c-span. The house hearing panel voted something like 13 or 15 to 2 to continue the hearings.
I would have to say seeing them vote it down in flames live is good enough for me.

It's not a stretch, it's just the begining of the end.
Let's see, what do we have working against climate change.
68% of America voters refuse to pay more than $10 a month to fix climate change
12% of voters believe the government should be given the power to fix climate change.
0% or effectively 0% of house dems bothered to show up to the hearing to keep it going, I guess they had more important lines of coke and hookers to do.

If this isn't the beginning of the end, then what is it?
The beginning of the beginning. D's couldn't do squat as the minority. Now they are the majority. It's only been weeks. Yes, they are like herding cats and it may take some doing to get a consensus. In contrast, R's are good at marching in lockstep. R's had eight years to act but as we can see, they prefer short-term exploitation to long-term sustainable planning.

Politico says it was shut down by 4 R's vs 2 D's. I suspect the rest of your numbers enjoy a similar level of accuracy.

Your quip about coke and hookers further erodes your credibility, as if citing breitbart wasn't the final nail in the coffin.
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The beginning of the beginning.
Based on this thread, the never-ending story.

Either we stumble into a Synergetic solution, or we don't survive. Either result is just.
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So you want to nitpick between the words "most" and "all" to feel better? It has been very interesting for me to watch how confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance play out in these discussions. My own reactions included.
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Battery electrification of industrial farm equipment and truck transport is quite unlikely to allow the same scale of production that is feeding the world now.
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570 Liters of diesel per day = 5,700 kWh per day. Even if you cut that by2.5 for the extra efficiency of electric motors with round trip losses you get 2,300 kWh per day for a large size farm machine. 12 Tesla grid scale 200kWh powerpacks per day to hot swap in and out. for just one tractor. We are going to need to start making a lot of wire to get all of this power around.
Nitpick is not the word. I just wanted to make clear fossil fuel is not essential for modern agriculture.

You calculate diesel by its total energy content, but the heat produced gets lost anyway. You should calculate the power you get at the axle from diesel under ideal circumstances, then factor in a loss because farm equipment spends a lot of time working under less than ideal conditions. It needs power to deal with heavy conditions so it wastes efficiency under lighter conditions.
Electric motors don't get much less efficient under light loads, and do not idle at all.

Then, your 200 kWh pack is quite small for heavy equipment. Tesla semis will have a 500-600 kWh pack. A combine could have a bigger pack than that.

That's why https://www.farm-equipment.com/artic...-farm-vehicles.

Anyway, agriculture makes for just a fraction of global fossil fuel usage. Whatever equipment cannot be electrified could be powered by biofuel. There's no need to wind down farming efficiency at all.
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I took away 2.5X from the diesel energy total to get to 2,300kWh per day of an electric combine.
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We are headed for a world with less after the carbon pulse. Best get focused on how "they" will survive 1,000 years from now and quit wasting on extravagance.

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The beginning of the beginning. D's couldn't do squat as the minority. Now they are the majority. It's only been weeks. Yes, they are like herding cats and it may take some doing to get a consensus. In contrast, R's are good at marching in lockstep. R's had eight years to act but as we can see, they prefer short-term exploitation to long-term sustainable planning.

Politico says it was shut down by 4 R's vs 2 D's. I suspect the rest of your numbers enjoy a similar level of accuracy.

Your quip about coke and hookers further erodes your credibility, as if citing breitbart wasn't the final nail in the coffin.
Delusional till the end and beyond.
Now that's a believer.
I guess you could say it is the beginning of the beginning since they are going to be starting over from scratch.

Yeah look at it. Democrats have the vast majority and all they accomplished was to not show up to their own hearing.
They are off to a great start.
This is a sign of things to come.

As Nancy Pelosi likes to say "we have the votes and that's all that matters".

Rename this "the slow death of the global warming movement".

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