The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Lol fake meat is the pentacle of GMO, hyper processed, artificial everything foods. No way it "is better for you".

Just because something is processed doesn't mean it isn't good for you, and practically all food is GMO (selected and bred for desirable attributes).

We cook meat, and that is a process, one which makes it healthier for us.

I have no problem accepting that something "artificial" could be healthier than something "natural".

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

No way it "is better for you".

Isn't the claim that it's [hopefully palatable and] better for the planet, not necessarily 'you'.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Isn't the claim that it's [hopefully palatable and] better for the planet, not necessarily 'you'.

With regards to the guest speaker I referenced, the claim was that reducing meat consumption (by whatever means adopted by the individual) is:

a. healthier
b. reduces CO2 emissions
c. reduces the extent of farming operations that some might find objectionable, such as raising animals that grow to a size that immobilizes movement due to hormones and breeding

I added that meat is more expensive than other foods, which is probably the key issue for me since I don't like spending money on what is ultimately poop.

The overall point was that there's probably at least 1 reason most people would find compelling enough to reduce meat consumption by any amount of their own choosing.

JBP went the other direction and is on an all beef diet and cites several health benefits from doing so.

I've basically never noticed any difference in any changes in diet, so I'm not very motivated for "health" reasons. Give me a Big Mac or a bowl of pasta, and I'll feel the same (less hungry).

[RedDevil]

Even when eating grass cows do produce methane.
Best to avoid meat as much as possible. I only eat meat if it is a leftover or if it tries too hard to get eaten. Vegans should not run along a lakeside in the evening.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

I only eat meat if it is a leftover or if it tries too hard to get eaten. Vegans should not run along a lakeside in the evening.

Too tasty to resist the temptation of eating Vegans?

[RedDevil]

Ha. I met some people but they did not jump into my mouth, and I couldn't tell if they were vegan, many did not look like so anyway.
It's flies. Spit one out, get another in the throat at the next breath. Ever tried running with your mouth closed?

Not running worked fine though. I did that for the last half hour of my trip.

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

Even when eating grass cows do produce methane.
Best to avoid meat as much as possible. I only eat meat if it is a leftover or if it tries too hard to get eaten. Vegans should not run along a lakeside in the evening.

But, methane when they are eating grass makes NO CHANGE in the long run to the atmosphere. Cows have existed for millions of years, and the carbon cycle is in balance.

WE produce methane when we digest food. Methane decays into carbon dioxide in a relatively short while - and since that is underway constantly, it makes no difference, in the long run.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by RedDevil

It's flies. Spit one out, get another in the throat at the next breath. Ever tried running with your mouth closed?

I'm on a bike instead of running, but I can curl my lower lip into my mouth and the lip goatee and mustache make a double air filter. More for dust than flies, though.

edit: via S0:
Institute For Basic Science>News>Icebergs delay Southern Hemisphere future warming

Climate researchers .... have now quantified for the first time this effect of Antarctic iceberg calving on future Southern Hemisphere climate. The team ran a series of Global Warming computer simulations, which include the combined freshwater and cooling effects of icebergs on the ocean. The size and number of icebergs released in their model mimics the gradual retreat of the Antarctic ice sheet over a period of several hundred years. By turning on an off the “iceberg effect” in their climate model, the researchers discovered that icebergs can significantly slow down human-induced warming in the Southern Hemisphere, impacting global winds and rainfall patterns.

“Our results demonstrate that the effect of Antarctic melting and icebergs needs to be included in computer model simulations of future climate change. Climate models currently used in the 6th climate change assessment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) do not account for this process.” says Dr. Fabian Schloesser, lead author of the study in Nature Climate Change.

Dr. Tobias Friedrich, coauthor of the study, adds: “To melt the icebergs released over the 21st century in one of our extreme Antarctic ice-sheet retreat scenarios would require 400 times the current annual world energy consumption. Global sea level would rise by about 80 cm, impacting many coastal regions and communities worldwide.”

[litesong]

Originally Posted by freebeard

I'll wait for your apology....

I put Jarhead Poison in yer head & now u think u got new thots on the Jarhead. I forgot about Jarhead & so should you. You can ferget the Amazon forest & Brazilian freedom, too.

[freebeard]

Apology, or doubling down?

I'm not the one not letting go. Or telling you what to think.