The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Shakespeare: "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers".

The ground water in the South Hills in Bleugene, OR, contains arsenic.

Shakespeare knew how to turn a phrase alright!

Probably not from apple seeds.Do they know the source? Any mining in the past?
Long ago I heard or read that water lilies or something like it could absorb it from the water during photosynthesis,and lock it up.Some of the first bio-remediation.

[aerohead]

Over the course of my reading I've run across mention of some of the disciplines involved in climatology,that I thought I'd share:
*aerospace engineering
*analytical chemistry
*analytical instrument design
*anthropology
*applied mathematics
*archeology
*astronomy
*atmospheric chemistry
*atmospheric physics
*biological oceanography
*cartography
*chaos theory
*computer programming
*dendrochronology
*economics
*environmental geology
*evolutionary biology
*fluid mechanics
*geochemistry
*geocryology
*geology
*geophysics
*glaciology
*hydrological engineering
*infrared physics
*limnology
*marine biology
*mathematical physics
*mathematics
*meteorology
*mountaineering
*non-linear fluid dynamics
*orbital mechanics
*paleoclimatology
*physical chemistry
*physical oceanography
*physics
*radiation balance specialists
*radiometry
*spectroscopy
*statigraphy
*statistics
*thermodynamics

[NeilBlanchard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Over the course of my reading I've run across mention of some of the disciplines involved in climatology,that I thought I'd share:
*aerospace engineering
*analytical chemistry
*analytical instrument design
*anthropology
*applied mathematics
*archeology
*astronomy
*atmospheric chemistry
*atmospheric physics
*biological oceanography
*cartography
*chaos theory
*computer programming
*dendrochronology
*economics
*environmental geology
*evolutionary biology
*fluid mechanics
*geochemistry
*geocryology
*geology
*geophysics
*glaciology
*hydrological engineering
*infrared physics
*limnology
*marine biology
*mathematical physics
*mathematics
*meteorology
*mountaineering
*non-linear fluid dynamics
*orbital mechanics
*paleoclimatology
*physical chemistry
*physical oceanography
*physics
*radiation balance specialists
*radiometry
*spectroscopy
*statigraphy
*statistics
*thermodynamics

Right - we learned a lot about how carbon dioxide acts as a greenhouse gas - from military engineers as they designed heat seeking missiles.

To dismiss climate science - is to dismiss all science. Science is of a whole - it all has to fit together to describe EVERYTHING.

[freebeard]

*limnology

Made me look one up.

Joe Rogan had Dan Crenshaw on. No transcript available at this time, but to paraphrase Congressman Crenshaw "If India and China replaced all their coal with natural gas worldwide CO2 would decrease by 40% (and we've got a lot of natural gas in Texas)."

https://youtu.be/MIWrmgPNUqQ?t=5922

At 1:57:27 it's on to Huawei and Mike Tyson.

[aerohead]

*Yes,The US Army snipers of WW-II had infrared sights.
*Most military research between 1945 and 1960 had to do with the greenhouse effect,in the development of missile guidance systems,pyrotechnic countermeasures,Special-ops night operation capabilities,etc..
*In 1946,the military's,University of Pennsylvania,ENIAC super-computer's 3rd-tier task,was weather modeling,based on John von Neumann's mathematics,which evolved into to today's climate models.
*Roger Ravelle (Charles David Keeling's boss) helped found the Office of Naval Research,which underwrote most all greenhouse research.
*Roger Ravelle was involved in the Bikini Atoll,atmospheric nuclear testing,which gave him the idea about carbon-dioxide absorption into the oceans,and retention of CO2 in the atmosphere,after his research into ocean uptake of nuclear fallout(or not) after the Mike shot that went horribly wrong.(the third atomic bombing of the Japanese)
*In the Korean War,US fighter jets were knocking Mig-19s out of the air with infrared-sensing products developed via the Office of Naval Research.
*In 1954,the US Navy/US Air Force,Joint Numerical Weather Prediction Unit was established at Suitland,Maryland,pushing the envelope of numerical simulations.
*The CIA,NSA,NRO, and Pentagon have programs which remain classified.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Made me look one up.

Joe Rogan had Dan Crenshaw on. No transcript available at this time, but to paraphrase Congressman Crenshaw "If India and China replaced all their coal with natural gas worldwide CO2 would decrease by 40% (and we've got a lot of natural gas in Texas)."

https://youtu.be/MIWrmgPNUqQ?t=5922

At 1:57:27 it's on to Huawei and Mike Tyson.

Yeah,both countries were defined as 'undeveloped' at the time they signed onto the UN treaties,and were given exemptions on coal-fired emissions until they reached energy parity with the 'developed' nations.
The good news is that both countries are moving ahead with renewables.

[aerohead]

Last night on the CBS Evening News they did a small piece on NASA's Oceans Melting Greenland Project (OMG).
Greenland is melting 6-times as fast now,as in the 1980s.
And today,73-million Americans will be impacted by record-challenging heat.Phoenix and Yuma are to hit 116-F.
Palm trees in Florida are being killed by a new parasitic insect.
Jim Carrey and Jeff Daniels came by the house,and we glued fresnel lenses on, to cover their bodies,then sent 'em out for some rays at mid-day.

[aerohead]

oilpan4 brought this one up,and I've kept a third eye open as I've read through the climate materials I've crossed paths with:
*Rossby waves were postulated in the 1940s.It took 50-years to verify their existence.
*1956,Radio Astonomers report perhaps 600-degree heat on Venus.No one believes it until the USSR's Venera space-probe reaches Venus in 1977.
*1965,Hubert Lamb,climatologist,UK, proposes notion of a Medeival Warm Period,which will be debunked in 2003, by Michael Mann.
*In 1975,Wallace Broecker predicted global warming which was verified by direct measurement.
*In 1975,Carl Sagan posits that,Venus,likely to be the product of a runaway greenhouse effect,later verified by USSR and American space-probes.
* 1986,MIT's Mark Crane,predicts,for the first time,an El Nino event,with a computer model.
*June,23,1988,James E. Hansen,predicts that 1988 will set an all-time heat record,verified in November of that year.
*Interior,continental,high elevation,sensitivity to early global warming,more so than at the polar regions, was predicted by Guy Calendar in 1959,and found to be correct in 1991.
*in February 1992,Albert Gore,Jr. predicted that the 1990s, would replace the 1980s as the warmest on record,which turned out to be an observed fact.
*In 1997,Lonnie Thompson,predicted that,he'd find exactly an opposite climate anomaly in the Sajama Glacier,Bolivia,glacial-stage ice,as found in any extant ice cores.The ice would be clear,free of dust,proving a wet climate during its glacial stage.Proven by 1998,after lab analysis.
*Lonnie Thompson predicted that the snows of Kilimanjaro,Africa would be no older than about 11,000-years.Lab testing pegged the snow at 11,700-years age.
*February,2001,Lonnie Thompson tells,snows of Kilimanjaro,likely to disappear by 2021.(we can watch for this)

[oil pan 4]

Originally Posted by aerohead

oilpan4 brought this one up,and I've kept a third eye open as I've read through the climate materials I've crossed paths with:
*Rossby waves were postulated in the 1940s.It took 50-years to verify their existence.
*1956,Radio Astonomers report perhaps 600-degree heat on Venus.No one believes it until the USSR's Venera space-probe reaches Venus in 1977.
*1965,Hubert Lamb,climatologist,UK, proposes notion of a Medeival Warm Period,which will be debunked in 2003, by Michael Mann.
*In 1975,Wallace Broecker predicted global warming which was verified by direct measurement.
*In 1975,Carl Sagan posits that,Venus,likely to be the product of a runaway greenhouse effect,later verified by USSR and American space-probes.
* 1986,MIT's Mark Crane,predicts,for the first time,an El Nino event,with a computer model.
*June,23,1988,James E. Hansen,predicts that 1988 will set an all-time heat record,verified in November of that year.
*Interior,continental,high elevation,sensitivity to early global warming,more so than at the polar regions, was predicted by Guy Calendar in 1959,and found to be correct in 1991.
*in February 1992,Albert Gore,Jr. predicted that the 1990s, would replace the 1980s as the warmest on record,which turned out to be an observed fact.
*In 1997,Lonnie Thompson,predicted that,he'd find exactly an opposite climate anomaly in the Sajama Glacier,Bolivia,glacial-stage ice,as found in any extant ice cores.The ice would be clear,free of dust,proving a wet climate during its glacial stage.Proven by 1998,after lab analysis.
*Lonnie Thompson predicted that the snows of Kilimanjaro,Africa would be no older than about 11,000-years.Lab testing pegged the snow at 11,700-years age.
*February,2001,Lonnie Thompson tells,snows of Kilimanjaro,likely to disappear by 2021.(we can watch for this)

No one on here said the green house effect wasn't real.
So that eliminates all the green house Venus straw man.
The planet has been warming since towards the end of the the last ice age. I don't think anyone here ever said the climate stays the same. Predicting warming is like predicting the tides.
One decade being warmer than another is not the definition of climate change.
Predicting El Nino weather and comparing that to a climate change prediction is an incredible stretch. These days they call it long term forecasting.
Mount Kilimanjaro being ice free 10,700 years ago and now just tells us it's likely ice free multiple times during an interglacial period so that doesn't prove anything. Sounds more like denier talk.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Hiring an oilman to be head of the EPA is an outrage......we prop up one extreme position and counter it with another.

Seen lots of "don'T rump" supporters use the same argument. Equating the actions of "don'T rump" with other politicians is priming the pump of racist, sexist, xenophobic, anti-science(sigh-ants), pro-putin & authoritarian dictator wannabee "don'T rump". It is the 2020 presidential campaign kick-off for "the chosen one, don'T rump".