The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

So,with uncertainty,and no understanding of causation,some governments are banning vaping.
We can't seem to get that kind of action with the really big vaping.

[sendler]

Negative interest rates.
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https://www.peakprosperity.com/its-t...hat-kills-you/
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[freebeard]

The fact is that the government can operate publicly-owned enterprise at one-third the cost of free-market capitalists.I can't follow your arithmetic.

Fisher Industries delivered wall at 1/3 the cost the government calculated.

How it's paid for isn't as important than the actions that people choose. Right now I'm listening to https://youtu.be/QwhfZvTmCqI The Magic School Bus | In Depth.

They're discussing converting the school bus fleet to EV. $11 Billion to save $3 Billion a month thereafter.
•Vehicle-to-grid
•mobile disaster preparedness
•Students IQ rises
•Cheaper electricity for everybody
A pretty good episode. They cherry-picked this out of the Green New Deal.

[oil pan 4]

I wasn't thinking energy storage when I saw this.



Might be able to build a lot of wall really tall really fast.


The electric school bus thing seems very reasonable.
The vehicle to grid thing is the hang up. It doesn't seem like the utilities or OEMs are interested in talking to each other about this.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Fisher Industries delivered wall at 1/3 the cost the government calculated.

How it's paid for isn't as important than the actions that people choose. Right now I'm listening to https://youtu.be/QwhfZvTmCqI The Magic School Bus | In Depth.

They're discussing converting the school bus fleet to EV. $11 Billion to save $3 Billion a month thereafter.
•Vehicle-to-grid
•mobile disaster preparedness
•Students IQ rises
•Cheaper electricity for everybody
A pretty good episode. They cherry-picked this out of the Green New Deal.

If Fisher raised the capital to create their industry in capital markets,they would have paid three times what it would have cost the US Government.So it is important to consumers,and bears strongly on net personal wealth.
Capitalism has failed with transportation,education,utilities,healthcare,infr astructure,retirement security,and others.Historically,these industries which when privatized failed,only to be re-nationalized.

[freebeard]

The money wasn't from capital markets, it is a pure anarcho-capitalist move. The money came, via Brian Kolfage and We Build The Wall, from the American people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JH2ks1D9lt0

https://webuildthewall.us/

Originally Posted by oil oan 4

I wasn't thinking energy storage when I saw this.

What is that? Three cranes when one should do? Are they stacking hay bales?

edit:
Surely not a windmill tower. Yikes. A brick chimney works because it stays in compression. A windmill tower will have massive side loads and torquing.

How about a solar tower?

[redneck]

Originally Posted by freebeard

What is that? Three cranes when one should do? Are they stacking hay bales?

edit:
Surely not a windmill tower. Yikes. A brick chimney works because it stays in compression. A windmill tower will have massive side loads and torquing.

How about a solar tower?

Probably more like this...

https://www.aresnorthamerica.com/gri...energy-storage




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[freebeard]

That looks real estate intensive. Compare to a rack railway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rack_railway

The Locher rack system, invented by Eduard Locher, has gear teeth cut in the sides rather than the top of the rail, engaged by two cog wheels on the locomotive. This system allows use on steeper grades than the other systems, whose teeth could jump out of the rack. ... Locher set out to design a rack system that could be used on gradients as steep as 1 in 2 (50%).

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

The fact is that the government can operate publicly-owned enterprise at one-third the cost of free-market capitalists.I can't follow your arithmetic.

If you're referring to Medicare, it's way more complex than 1/3 the cost. That is operated at a loss and made up on everyone else with money. Many places stop taking Medicare and Medicaid because it doesn't make financial sense.

I'm not entirely opposed to a single payer medical system, because clearly ours isn't good. It isn't really a free market solution either, as the government incentives employers to offer health insurance, which should be illegal. It's insane to have insurance dependent on a particular employment. It should have always been individual, because it covers individuals. We don't have employer provided car insurance.

Without going too far into health insurance... there's nothing the government can do cheaper than the private sector. It's like Venezuela outlawing starvation. Nobody dies of starvation if you make it illegal to list that as a cause of death. Similarly, nobody can provide cheaper healthcare if you outlaw higher prices for 1 arbitrary group of people while allowing any price for everyone else. Sounds like an institutional ageist law to me. The very definition of institutional ageism. Why are we privatizing space transport if it's more expensive than government programs?

I know my grand kids will wonder what we were thinking back when we had institutional racism, sexism, and ageism written into our laws and informal practices and think of us as backwards Neanderthals. I'll go on record as being ahead of the progressive curve. People are sovereign individuals who own their bodies, labor, and associations. It's their great responsibility to utilize those things to the best of their ability, because individuals are most capable of directing those aspects of their life.

[redneck]

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https://ecomodder.com/forum/attachme...1&d=1567886880

Found it...


Energy Vault

https://www.greentechmedia.com/artic...ergy#gs.1qyw7e

A full-scale Energy Vault plant, called an Evie, would look like a 35-story crane with six arms, surrounded by thousands of manmade concrete bricks, weighing 35 metric tons each.

That version doesn't exist yet; the company has only built a demo unit at one-seventh scale, completed in June in Switzerland. The demo is used for testing to hone the design.


Once constructed, a fully charged plant will stack the bricks around itself in a Babel-like tower; to discharge, the cranes drop the bricks down, generating power from the speedy descent. The standard configuration delivers 4 megawatts/35 megawatt-hours of storage, which translates to nearly 9 hours of duration if discharging at full capacity

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