The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

news.slashdot.org/story/.../earth-warming-more-quickly-than-thought-new-climate-models-show
Doing all we can to stave off that oncoming ice age.

news.slashdot.org/story/.../fossil-fuel-divestment-has-zero-climate-impact-says-bill-gates
Time for a Bill Gates vs Al Gore rap battle.

I for one appreciate the masterful trolling of his adversaries.

Why would anyone presume that a software predator would have the critical thinking skills to navigate climate change issues of a market economy.And his mentor.If Gates can talk Warren Buffet into selling off his BNSF coal trains,then he'll have my attention.What a zero!

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

A neighbor,our current president where I live recently retired as a Ph.D.in Environmental Science at the University of North Texas.He's told me about colleagues whom possess zero people skills,and basically hide in their offices when not teaching class.
At Texas Tech, I has a few professors I considered unfit for a classroom environment.
Not an easy situation.
I'm most comfortable with the actual,peer-reviewed research papers.They're completely unfiltered,and with all the human foibles.

I learn best from text too, because it's learn at your own pace, and has been edited many times, unlike verbal communication. That said, most people prefer lecture or sound bites, perhaps because their reading comprehension skills aren't on par with their verbal comprehension skills.

The smartest people aren't necessarily the best teachers. In my view, the professors that aren't good at teaching should just focus on their research. There's a reason why people like Bill Nye (not a scientist) and Neil Tyson are popular with the public, and that's because they make the subject interesting and accessible to the layperson.

Originally Posted by aerohead

Why would anyone presume that a software predator would have the critical thinking skills to navigate climate change issues of a market economy.And his mentor.If Gates can talk Warren Buffet into selling off his BNSF coal trains,then he'll have my attention.What a zero!

What would it take to satisfy your criteria of profiting from something but at the same time not be a "predator"?

In my view, this is an example of why the left is in disarray. If the standard of minimum acceptable behavior requires dying in the street starving, having given everything one has for the environment and social justice, it's a self-defeating position.

Why is Gates responsible for Buffet's actions? How is Gates' philanthropic endeavors and his contribution to software development counted as zero? I can assure you, Gates has counted for more than all of us combined with respect to shaping the world.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Why would anyone presume that a software predator would have the critical thinking skills to navigate climate change issues of a market economy.

Why should anyone presume they could not? I do appreciate the 'software predator' label, we shouldn't forget the damage he did to the computer industry (that was youthful arrogance at the time), but can't people grow and learn?

Coal is becoming a disaster, but at least we got some good coal miner songs.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I learn best from text too, because it's learn at your own pace, and has been edited many times, unlike verbal communication. That said, most people prefer lecture or sound bites, perhaps because their reading comprehension skills aren't on par with their verbal comprehension skills.

The smartest people aren't necessarily the best teachers. In my view, the professors that aren't good at teaching should just focus on their research. There's a reason why people like Bill Nye (not a scientist) and Neil Tyson are popular with the public, and that's because they make the subject interesting and accessible to the layperson.



What would it take to satisfy your criteria of profiting from something but at the same time not be a "predator"?

In my view, this is an example of why the left is in disarray. If the standard of minimum acceptable behavior requires dying in the street starving, having given everything one has for the environment and social justice, it's a self-defeating position.

Why is Gates responsible for Buffet's actions? How is Gates' philanthropic endeavors and his contribution to software development counted as zero? I can assure you, Gates has counted for more than all of us combined with respect to shaping the world.

Warren Buffet is doing as much as he can to load the atmosphere with carbon dioxide.He'd be a very weird choice for a mentor.Why that doesn't bother Gates says something about the intelligence,awareness,and caliber of his character.
I regularly hear criticism about Micro Soft's choice not to support software,purchased at premium price,and while aging,would otherwise,perfectly support the activities of the owners,now requiring the purchase of upgraded software which possesses solutions to problems people don't have.Their experience is something akin to rape.That's the adjective used.
You didn't mention graduation from the Ayn Rand Institute.They did a good job on you.You come off exactly like a libertarian actuary.Completely devoid of any human compassion.
'Dying in the street'. WOW! Even Gore couldn't top exaggerated,sensationalism like that! I see an academy award coming your way.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by freebeard

Why should anyone presume they could not? I do appreciate the 'software predator' label, we shouldn't forget the damage he did to the computer industry (that was youthful arrogance at the time), but can't people grow and learn?

Coal is becoming a disaster, but at least we got some good coal miner songs.

The movie would play out something like:
Bill & Melinda extend the lives of millions so they can later perish in a climate-related calamity brought on by giga-tons of atmospheric carbon dioxide from Warren Buffet's, Berkshire Hathaway's,BNSF Railroad's loads of coal to eastern & southeastern power-plants.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by aerohead

Warren Buffet is doing as much as he can to load the atmosphere with carbon dioxide.He'd be a very weird choice for a mentor.Why that doesn't bother Gates says something about the intelligence,awareness,and caliber of his character.
I regularly hear criticism about Micro Soft's choice not to support software,purchased at premium price,and while aging,would otherwise,perfectly support the activities of the owners,now requiring the purchase of upgraded software which possesses solutions to problems people don't have.Their experience is something akin to rape.That's the adjective used.
You didn't mention graduation from the Ayn Rand Institute.They did a good job on you.You come off exactly like a libertarian actuary.Completely devoid of any human compassion.
'Dying in the street'. WOW! Even Gore couldn't top exaggerated,sensationalism like that! I see an academy award coming your way.

Buffet on the surface appears to be a hypocrite; having exploited capitalism to his benefit while preaching socialism. That said, I tend to believe the conviction of what he says; that he'd be fine living in the wealth redistributed and lower output economy which he advocates for. As an example, I was against the $8k federal first-time homebuyer credit, would have rather it didn't exist, yet still took advantage of it.

All products have end of life on support, and software especially has a shortened lifespan due to the rapidly changing nature of it. You can't get support on a Model A, either. What about all those screwed people that would otherwise be served perfectly well by their Model A? BTW- end of life doesn't mean a product self-destructs, it just means that engineering resources are no longer devoted to development, and "parts" will be discontinued. There's still the aftermarket to support popular products.

I've never read anything by Rand. Do you really believe based on my comments that Libertarians would welcome me in their ranks? I've been scolded on this forum for having comments that don't fit the Libertarian philosophy. In my view, being unwelcome in any extreme end of a spectrum is a sign that I'm seeking objectivism and not religious devotion to a group.

Compasion not tempered by reason is counterproductive to the purpose of compassion. It's the overprotective mom (or dad), and overprotective government, or counterproductive "help" that enables bad behavior and dependency rather than seeing bad behavior as the enemy of the person. Sympathy for tragedy does not necessary require action. If someone falls to their death from the 5th floor of a building, I can feel terrible while not demanding that all buildings be ground level and no higher.

We have some delusion that with proper regulation, we can solve every problem. We're all destined to tragedy and death regardless of advancements. Absolutely everything in this universe is temporary, and will fade to oblivion.

... and you're catching on to my proclivity towards sarcasm. My trolling is intended to elicit an examined response. There's no point in complaining about something without advocating as specifically as possible how things could be better. Since I'm no subject matter expert, the extent of my "solution" is for the government to identify the maximum acceptable level of emissions, and implement taxation at a rate that will bring them safely below that level. I'm always prompting for your specific solutions, but instead get vague replies like treating GW like WWII.

Originally Posted by aerohead

The movie would play out something like:
Bill & Melinda extend the lives of millions so they can later perish in a climate-related calamity brought on by giga-tons of atmospheric carbon dioxide from Warren Buffet's, Berkshire Hathaway's,BNSF Railroad's loads of coal to eastern & southeastern power-plants.

If the BNSF railroad loads of coal stopped altogether, there would be no measurable benefit in terms of forestalling global warming, or measuring fewer ppm of CO2. Your prophetic predictions may come true, but giving a more precise time frame and way to tell when the prediction has come true would lend credence to it. Something like, "by 2025, there will be a per capita increase in mortality due to malnutrition".

It's difficult to generally be worried, and easy to be specifically worried.

[freebeard]

I've never read anything by Rand.
....
In my view, being unwelcome in any extreme end of a spectrum is a sign that I'm seeking objectivism and not religious devotion to a group.

She had the hots for a serial killer who dimembered a little girl in 1927

Keep in mind that the spectrum is libertarian/authoritarian not right/left.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by freebeard

She had the hots for a serial killer who dimembered a little girl in 1927

Keep in mind that the spectrum is libertarian/authoritarian not right/left.

I took a political test some time back that was 2-axis. Liberal vs Conservative, and Authoritarian vs Libertarian. I scored exactly in the middle between liberal and conservative, and just barely tilted towards liberty. That seems to agree with the views I express here.

[litesong]

Originally Posted by freebeard

..... libertarian/authoritarian not right/left.

Libertarians are lazy re-pubic-lick-uns, & "don'T rump" laundered crooked rubles from authoritarian "put-it-in" & russian billionaires.

[freebeard]

litesong — Please resist the temptation to respond to me. THX

redpoint5 —I don't divulge my responses to the data mine, but I'm pretty sure I'd be there. It's a popular position with e.g.; Tim Pool and Shoe On Head. Bell curves and all that.

Was it Political Compass?
www.politicalcompass.org/faq

Apparently liberal/conservative is economics, not political.
www.ign.com/.../average-political-compass-quiz-score-by-country