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Old 05-11-2019, 03:00 PM   #5811 (permalink)
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It is partially caused by the incentives and new interconnects required to stimulate wind build out. And then made much worse but eh intermittent output of a growing percentage of wind causing bidding wars among thermal back up suppliers that are now relegated to running only in back up circumstances. But we are finally starting to see that the initial costs have been absorbed and the capacity is increasing to a point where it begins to be useful.
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The point is to show that the transition to wind and solar is not initially cheaper as is so often stated in the green media and it takes a concerted dedication and continued use of current thermal electric production and heavy liquid fueled machinery to implement any attempt at transition. Germany has been pursuing the transition for 20 years and still has the highest electricity price in the world even though they have access to the highest caliber offshore wind resources.
Normalize prices to include hidden costs,then do the comparison.Wind is the cheapest energy on Earth.Today.

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Old 05-11-2019, 03:02 PM   #5812 (permalink)
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Okay, so I shouldn't be PO'd if instead the utility said "Good news everyone, you'll all get the same amount of power but pay 1.9x the amount".

It's not double the price, but it's near enough. If the prices hold steady, rising wages should create price parity by what, 2050?
Wind is already the cheapest.It's beyond parity.
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As a New York state resident most of my life I am familiar with state politics. Programs tried here have historically been proposed to the rest of the country. Unfortunately the current crop of downs state Democrats are technically inept and hungry for power. Their proposals rise to criminal nuisance. We can and should do much better. See Toyota 2030 program as an intelligent and effective approach. The root causes are uncovered when we ask"Why?" enough times. Thank you to those posting information. I want to be able to make thoughtful recommendations to my Assemblyman, state Senator, and Congressman. Land usage does not get enough attention. The other question is can our electrical grid reliably handle the increase in demand.
 
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*Pre-1999 radiometric data was off by up to an order of magnitude.
*The data represented is non-factual.
*While solar irradiance is certainly a factor in climate,it is not the driver.
*The ozone layer acts like a living 'iris'.Higher irradiance photochemically produces higher concentration of ozone,which blocks the increase in UV radiation reaching the ground.When solar output lessens,ozone,an unstable molecule to begin with,biodegrades,reducing the ozone concentration,allowing more UV to reach the ground.
*The amount of UV insolation at ground level regulates the amount of infrared radiation in the troposphere,where the 'climate' is.
*Higher concentrations of CO2 and Methane block the infrared's ability to radiate to space,warming the planet,exactly like Venus.
*Paleoclimatic records show that all warming events were always accompanied by an increase in atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases.
*Average,mean,global surface temperature has continued to rise since the onset of the Industrial Revolution.
*As the Sun has grown dimmer the planet continues to set heat records.
*Local and regional variability in temperature is not an unforeseen phenomena of anthopogenically-induced climate change.
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As a New York state resident most of my life I am familiar with state politics. Programs tried here have historically been proposed to the rest of the country. Unfortunately the current crop of downs state Democrats are technically inept and hungry for power. Their proposals rise to criminal nuisance. We can and should do much better. See Toyota 2030 program as an intelligent and effective approach. The root causes are uncovered when we ask"Why?" enough times. Thank you to those posting information. I want to be able to make thoughtful recommendations to my Assemblyman, state Senator, and Congressman. Land usage does not get enough attention. The other question is can our electrical grid reliably handle the increase in demand.
There would be no technological barrier,although, since humans are involved in that calculus,then its anybody's guess.
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If I had trillions......

Anything can be viewed through a political or religious frame. Other frames might be scientific or statistical or economic.



Look at the science. Is aerohead right about the Electric Universe and Space Weather? The news from space today is that galaxies are shaped less like a frisbee and more like a jelly fish. The visible stars trail tendrils of gas that are hard to see.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jellyfish_galaxy

Cold weather causes famine, rising temperature causes more CO2.
Glad someones willing to fund basic research.We monkeys still want an explanation for our origins.
As to visibility,any object above absolute zero will emit a radio frequency electromagnetic signature which can be computer-colorized to help us visualize their details.
Same for any others of the spectrum.Spectrometers rock!
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Critical metals/minerals

The subject came up about strategic materials and our future.Here are some mentioned:
bauxite
caustic soda
coal
copper
diamond
gallium
germanium
indium
iron oxide
lead
limestone
lime
nickel
rare earths (perhaps some are already listed here)
silver
tantalum
tellurium
uranium
vanadium
zinc sulfide
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Lithium supply

According to the May,2019,National Geographic Magazine,the world estimated deposits (terrestrial) for lithium is 53-million metric tonnes,or
116,865,000,000-pounds.
It would be enough for 834,750,000 Tesla Model S cars.
If streamlined to Cd 0.12,you could build 939,093,750 Model S's.
Or if you made shorter range cars with just half the capacity,you could do 1,669,500,000 model S's.
1,878,187,500 streamlined models S's.
At 2017 global car production levels,this would be 22-years of production.
And then there's the world's oceans.
Presently,the following countries have proven lithium deposits,either in brine or hard rock:
Argentina
Australia
Belgium
Bolivia
Canada
Chile
China
Congo
Czechia
Germany
Mali
Mexico
Portugal
Russia
Serbia
Spain
USA
Zimbabwe
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Sodium is presently undergoing R&D as a battery technology.
Same for Graphene,a single atomic thickness form of graphite,which is said to be infinitely cyclable,and totally recyclable.
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Normalize prices to include hidden costs,then do the comparison.Wind is the cheapest energy on Earth.Today.
Figuring all of the externalities of all non renewable resource depletion, assigning a value to them with a view to deep time, and figuring in all of the costs of waste streams, will require an all new world view of the market system that only a handful of us are willing to admit and participate in. Everything will have to change.
 
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Figuring all of the externalities of all non renewable resource depletion, assigning a value to them with a view to deep time, and figuring in all of the costs of waste streams, will require an all new world view of the market system that only a handful of us are willing to admit and participate in. Everything will have to change.
Maybe it will just evolve one day at a time.The market would like that.The economy is prone to enough instability as it is.Nobody wants a meltdown.

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