The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[redpoint5]

I believe that I could maintain a high standard of living consuming 1/10th the average transportation/home energy as the average American household. The problem is that my other purchases involve energy expenditures that are outside my control with the exception of making the purchase in the first place, and those likely represent large energy expenditures; probably much greater than my direct consumption.

To get to 10% of average US consumption and high standard of living, I'd need to install a ground-source heat pump and make design changes to my house to maximize solar gain on cold days and minimize it on hot days. I'd also install even lower flow showerheads. EVs would be the vehicle of choice for bad weather and longer trips, with walking/biking/Segwaying filling in the shorter trips.

[sendler]

That still leaves medical, government, military, education, big infrastructure, These are all part of everyone's embodied energy and resource consumption footprint regardless of what you do directly.

[oil pan 4]

Yep the church of climatology is crumbling.
Now it's not climate change, it's climate justice.
Pretty much total destruction of capitalism and implementation of single party communist agrarian state like the Khmer Rouge. Where 1/4 of Cambodias population was killed. It's already been done and failed.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by sendler

That still leaves medical, government, military, education, big infrastructure, These are all part of everyone's embodied energy and resource consumption footprint regardless of what you do directly.

Yep, which was what I was getting at that I could reduce my direct consumption to 1/10th of average, but it would be a drop in the bucket of my overall indirect consumption.

I work from home, which means an office building and all the supporting infrastructure didn't have to be made for me. I expect an increasing amount of people will be working from home, especially if we vastly expand automation.

[freebeard]

Yep the church of climatology is crumbling.
Now it's not climate change, it's climate justice.
Pretty much total destruction of capitalism and implementation of single party communist....

I was down the Willamette Valley to where I went to high school. My brother lives right across the street from it, and we had pizza with a guy I went to school with there. At the table was a 2nd grader and (with zero prompting from me) she started talking about space weather and space molecules! I suggested to her mother that the best time to teach is when there is interest and suggested https://spaceweather.com/ where she can see the space weather report each morning before she goes to school.

Speaking as a pre-Boomer, I think there's a new generation that could save us from the Millenials.

[sendler]

Live dashboard for CO2, Methane, Global average temp, Sea level.
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https://www.climatelevels.org/

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Buffet on the surface appears to be a hypocrite; having exploited capitalism to his benefit while preaching socialism. That said, I tend to believe the conviction of what he says; that he'd be fine living in the wealth redistributed and lower output economy which he advocates for. As an example, I was against the $8k federal first-time homebuyer credit, would have rather it didn't exist, yet still took advantage of it.

All products have end of life on support, and software especially has a shortened lifespan due to the rapidly changing nature of it. You can't get support on a Model A, either. What about all those screwed people that would otherwise be served perfectly well by their Model A? BTW- end of life doesn't mean a product self-destructs, it just means that engineering resources are no longer devoted to development, and "parts" will be discontinued. There's still the aftermarket to support popular products.

I've never read anything by Rand. Do you really believe based on my comments that Libertarians would welcome me in their ranks? I've been scolded on this forum for having comments that don't fit the Libertarian philosophy. In my view, being unwelcome in any extreme end of a spectrum is a sign that I'm seeking objectivism and not religious devotion to a group.

Compasion not tempered by reason is counterproductive to the purpose of compassion. It's the overprotective mom (or dad), and overprotective government, or counterproductive "help" that enables bad behavior and dependency rather than seeing bad behavior as the enemy of the person. Sympathy for tragedy does not necessary require action. If someone falls to their death from the 5th floor of a building, I can feel terrible while not demanding that all buildings be ground level and no higher.

We have some delusion that with proper regulation, we can solve every problem. We're all destined to tragedy and death regardless of advancements. Absolutely everything in this universe is temporary, and will fade to oblivion.

... and you're catching on to my proclivity towards sarcasm. My trolling is intended to elicit an examined response. There's no point in complaining about something without advocating as specifically as possible how things could be better. Since I'm no subject matter expert, the extent of my "solution" is for the government to identify the maximum acceptable level of emissions, and implement taxation at a rate that will bring them safely below that level. I'm always prompting for your specific solutions, but instead get vague replies like treating GW like WWII.



If the BNSF railroad loads of coal stopped altogether, there would be no measurable benefit in terms of forestalling global warming, or measuring fewer ppm of CO2. Your prophetic predictions may come true, but giving a more precise time frame and way to tell when the prediction has come true would lend credence to it. Something like, "by 2025, there will be a per capita increase in mortality due to malnutrition".

It's difficult to generally be worried, and easy to be specifically worried.

I've given you specifics before.I never got any feedback.What would be the point?
I can waste my time elsewhere.

[oil pan 4]

Yeah the cult likes to spread fear, use sensationalism with out facts.
Comparing global warming or climate justice or what ever they are calling it this year to WWII is a perfect example.
I bet almost every single one of them drove a gasoline powered car to get there and don't own any solar power equipment in the Kw range or have planted a tree with in the last year.
People in the retarded climate change March insist the "earth is dieing", but they don't seem to be able to articulate how this is happening. Again fear, sensationalism, no facts.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by sendler

Fortunately the Sun is forecast to be headed into a Solar Super Grand Minimum beyond anything ever seen since we have been studying it over 400 years. This will begin to give us a 25 year reprieve from some greenhouse warming effects and trough in 2032.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_...ima_and_maxima
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We should be saving the rest of our coal for them to use to fend off the next Glacial period whenever that my be.

'guess you didn't catch the part about solar absolute total irradiance having very little to do with climate change.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redneck

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Is the water rising or the land sinking...???

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