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Old 10-30-2019, 01:38 PM   #7741 (permalink)
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Some considerations on the costs of a full transition to the electrification of everything that is required to switch to a 100% solar and wind energy system.
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https://oilprice.com/Alternative-Ene...ent-Truth.html
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One weakness with the presentation is,no mention of 'The average input heat rate for fossil-fuel steam-electric power plant generation.'
Utility-scale electric power generation requires 3.195 kWh worth of fossil-fuel heat energy to produce 1-kWh of net electrical output.68.7% of the fuel's energy is lost at the stack,cooling tower,pond,lake,ocean.
As of 2014,over 589-GW worth of US electric energy potential was lost this way.
If fossil-fuels were not part of the energy mix in 2014 electrical generation,the overall energy demand of the US could have been reduced by the quadrillion-Btu equivalence of 589-GW.
In a 30-year renewable energy transition scenario,BEVs would cost 14.4% more up front,but would ultimately save the owner 25.4% on the back end.A $366,943,461,500/year savings on fuel,every year,for 30-years.
All residential,commercial,and industrial energy needs could be provided with 66% less energy production.
According to the Republican Party,the Green New Deal,carried on over a 30-year timetable,would cost $2.30/day,per capita.The price of a 20-oz soda at a convenience store.
Presently,Americans spend $878,105,000,000/year on petroleum pipelines,refining,and oilfield services.
Home heating and air conditioning loads can be cut in half.What's left over can be served with 1/4 of present consumption.
As of December,2018,five-million BEVs had been sold,added to hybrids,and plug-in hybrids.It's a start.
Eight 'US' coal companies have already filed for bankruptcy this year.We'll have to see who's going to do,and pay for the coal-mine land reclamation mine owners are responsible for.
We have an estimated 1,000,000 'orphaned' oilwells which American taxpayers are going to have to pay to properly plug,or risk irrepairable harm to aquifers.Plus a lot of steel well casing abandoned in the ground which can't be recycled.Another 'Superfund.'
These sorts of data routinely escape the dialogue in energy conversations,and
it's a handicap to anyone attempting to make informed energy decisions.
California wildfires have doubled since 1984.
Seems like everyday,there's some new,compelling reason to consider the rationality of a Green New Deal.

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Nine posts in 22 minutes. Is that a record?
I have been away for a few days - and I posted a number of data points about our climate crisis.

What do you think of the information I linked to?
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Methane requires a concentration of 50,000 ppm to explode, minimum. 16 is a long way off from that.
Methane has increased from 715 ppbv in 1750,to 1,800 ppbv in 2015.No explosions,but it's remarkably more potent as a greenhouse gas,than CO2.And then it degrades to CO2.
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That report was based on junk science that was retraced in nature.
But the believers still cling to it. Sad.
Saying the IPCC is "junk science" is a bold claim - you must have evidence to back it up?
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Some one got triggered lol.
Just need to figure out what it was and do more of it.
You can mock the messenger - but what do you say to the data points in the links I posted?
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I thought "It" was using the word as an insult to refer to individuals as inanimate objects. You'll notice "It" doesn't refer to "It's" wife as such.

Often I wonder if that account is operated by an extreme right-wing group to subvert the extreme left by displaying how humorously inconsistent and illogical those ideologies are.



Methane has a half-life of 7 years. What is the precise negative consequences of it being released?
It's a minimum,20X more potent as a greenhouse gas than CO2.What is anticipated to melt and release is on the order of tens of billions of tons,as oceans and atmosphere warm.It won't be 'Venus,' but it will be headed in that direction.And there's no putting the Genie back in the bottle.It's one of the greatest fears of climate scientists.A ship sailing over a region of out-gassing clathrates could experience it's hull breaking in half, as if with a cavitation torpedoe.
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We can't forget the large amount of nitrous oxide, that results from our use of artificial nitrogen fertilizer.

Nitrous oxide is about 8X stronger a greenhouse gas than methane.
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Being wrong isn't sufficient justification for hatred. Nothing is.
A recent counterexample died by his own hand in a tunnel when his Congressional handlers (S&P) couldn't get to him in time.

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What do you think of the information I linked to?
If I read one of them the thread would run away from me. I'm just trying to keep up.

The point would be more like, 'if no subsequent post, then edit instead'.
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We're below 2 ppm methane. One source I read said it accounts for about 15% of warming due to greenhouse gases.

It's not nothing, but doesn't seem to be anywhere near the change we're seeing with CO2.

I've always wondered what the biologic impact of increasing CO2 concentrations would be. Our breathing reflex is triggered not by lack of oxygen, but from buildup of CO2 concentrations. Doubling that concentration must have some effect, even if small.
I suspect that the US Navy and NASA would have specific data on it.The Apollo-13 astronauts were nearly killed by it when the Lithium-hydroxide scrubbers failed,and submariners must be vigilant in monitoring a buildup when submerged.
Earth's atmospheric Oxygen content has been falling by 2ppmv /year as of 2015.CO2 will double before too long.Methane has more than doubled.
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Apocalypse Not: Climate Change Touting Mayors Stay Mum When Selling Bonds

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It has nothing to do with climate science.

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