The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[redneck]

Originally Posted by sendler

"Capitalism relies for its functioning on a logic of infinite growth, fossil fuel combustion, and colonial resource extraction abroad. The drive for infinite economic growth exhausts the world’s finite resources and creates increasing waste and pollutant by-products which necessarily ends up crossing planetary boundaries and undermining the world’s biosphere. The capitalist economy’s growth imperative relies on the high efficiency of polluting fossil fuels to sustain itself, manifested in the stark rise in carbon emissions and global warming since the industrial revolution. The capitalist economy is historically built on colonial resource extraction abroad and has only survived by these same means. Still today, the fuels and resources for the Global North are obtained by means of gross human rights violations, exploitative work conditions, and localised ecological degradation in the Global South. It is this system of infinite growth that is currently driving the planet to climate breakdown and ecological Armageddon.

Capitalilist countries.

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...ist-countries/

According to the 2017 Economic Freedom of the World Index, the top 50 capitalist countries (ranked from highest score to lowest):

Hong Kong
Singapore
New Zealand
Switzerland
Australia
Ireland
Estonia
United Kingdom
Canada
United Arab Emirates
Iceland
Denmark
Taiwan
Luxembourg
Sweden
Georgia
Netherlands
United States
Lithuania
Chile
Mauritius
Malaysia
Norway
Czech Republic
Germany
Finland
South Korea
Latvia
Qatar
Japan
Israel
Austria
Macedonia
Macau
Botswana
Vanuatu
Romania
Uruguay
Rwanda
Jamaica
Kazakhstan
Colombia
Peru
Armenia
Poland
Malta
Bulgaria
Cyprus
Saint Vincent
Bahrain

Other capitalist nations not on this list include Saint Lucia, Jordan, the Bahamas, Barbados, Belgium, Slovakia, Oman, Spain, Mexico and Costa Rica.



Communist Countries

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...ist-countries/

Under the combined political theory of Marxism and Leninism, the concept of private property and an economy centered on profits are replaced with public ownership. An overall communal control of both natural resources and the means of production are also characteristics of communism. This includes open access to mills, factories, and mines to name a few sources of production. During the twentieth century, about one-third of the world’s population lived under Communist rule. The region that contained the most heavily concentrated Communist countries was the Soviet Union.

The Soviet Union experienced an inefficient economy, and the poor performance of the Soviet Union led to the country’s economc collapse in the early 1990s.

The countries that were formerly part of the Soviet Union include...

Armenia
Azerbaijan
Belarus
Estonia
Georgia
Kazakhstan
Kyrgyzstan
Latvia
Lithuania
Moldova
Russia
Tajikistan
Turkmenistan
Ukraine
Uzbekistan
As World War II started coming to an end, many European countries were divided based on the political parties they supported. Nations took sides, with some countries supporting the Axis Powers, while others were in full support of the Allies. A handful of countries that were in agreeance with the Allies became known as the Soviet-controlled Eastern Bloc.

The countries that made up the Eastern Bloc were in favor of communism, and they were officially controlled by the Soviet Union.

These countries included...

Bulgaria
The Czech Republic
East Germany
Hungary
Poland
Romania
Slovakia
The group of countries known as the Balkans were also under total Communist rule. These Balkan countries were recognized as...

Albania
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
The Republic of Macedonia
Montenegro
Serbia
Slovenia
Various Asian, Middle Eastern, and African countries that once were communist include…

Afghanistan
Angola
Benin
Cambodia
The Democratic Republic of Congo
Eritrea
Ethiopia
Mongolia
Mozambique
Somalia
Yemen
Communism Today

There are only five remaining Communist countries in the world as of 2019. The modern-day Communist countries are…

China
Cuba
Laos
North Korea
Vietnam


Socialist countries (current and former) The majority of self-declared Socialist countries have been Marxist–Leninist states

http://worldpopulationreview.com/cou...ist-countries/

The list is long...



So...

Out of all the other countries that are not capitalist. Which one gets it right in your opinion...???

You know, since according to you, Capitalism is the root of all evil...

Which one of the non Capitalist countries enjoy a higher standard of living...???

Which one of the non Capitalist countries do the people live longer and are healthier...???

Which one of the non Capitalist countries is freedom encouraged and allowed...???

Which one would you rather live in that is not Capitalist...???

"Capitalism relies for its functioning on a logic of infinite growth, fossil fuel combustion, and colonial resource extraction abroad.[snip] It is this system of infinite growth that is currently driving the planet to climate breakdown and ecological Armageddon.

Wrong...

However, without this increasing growth, the economy falters and even collapses in recession, putting shops out of business, pushing communities into unemployment, and creating grim economic hardship and social fallout. This creates an impossible dilemma for those running society’s political institutions – they are unable to keep the economy afloat and tackle climate breakdown at the same time"

It’s not capitalism that destroys...

It’s this....

https://ecomodder.com/forum/showthre...tml#post605989

Central banking (private banks) are what destroy...

Boom and Bust... Baby...!!!

Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild

The few who understand the system, will either be so interested from it's profits or so dependent on it's favors, that there will be no opposition from that class.

Mayer Amschel Rothschild

There were some who understood...

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.

Thomas Jefferson

For the first time in its history, Western Civilization is in danger of being destroyed internally by a corrupt, criminal ruling cabal which is centered around the Rockefeller interests, which include elements from the Morgan, Brown, Rothschild, Du Pont, Harriman, Kuhn-Loeb, and other groupings as well. This junta took control of the political, financial, and cultural life of America in the first two decades of the twentieth century.

Carroll Quigley

Like the wizard of Oz...

So are the banks...




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[redpoint5]

Just listened to a very interesting overview of Nazism and the connection with Nietzsche philosophy by Stephen Hicks. When humanity decides that morality is subjective, and looks to nature to justify survival of the fittest, very bad things happen. Hicks listed socialism as a big component of Germany's descent into Nazism. While Nazi leaders didn't adopt Nietzsche's philosophy in its entirety, they did gather inspiration by parts of it.

As far as I can tell, modern philosophy is continued upon Nietzsche's philosophy, and tribalism will continue to be our greatest obstacle.

[freebeard]

vlogbrothers
Published on Jun 2, 2017
At the heart of the desire to get America out of the Paris Agreement seems to be three things:

1. ...

2. ...

Who are these clowns?

After all, why would other countries hold
up their side of the bargain if the country
that benefitted the most from the Carbon Dioxide
currently in the atmosphere shirks
their responsibility?

My recollection is that (as vlogbrothers admit) the United Sates has met its goal but nobody else had when we exited.

Once I hit Post Quick Reply I see redpoint5 covered it.

[All Darc]

I never heard about Nietzsche propose mass murder of innocents.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Just listened to a very interesting overview of Nazism and the connection with Nietzsche philosophy by Stephen Hicks. When humanity decides that morality is subjective, and looks to nature to justify survival of the fittest, very bad things happen. Hicks listed socialism as a big component of Germany's descent into Nazism. While Nazi leaders didn't adopt Nietzsche's philosophy in its entirety, they did gather inspiration by parts of it.

As far as I can tell, modern philosophy is continued upon Nietzsche's philosophy, and tribalism will continue to be our greatest obstacle.

[niky]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

Agreed that continued economic growth is unsustainable and leads to pollution and resource scarcity problems. I see no link to colonialism being responsible for this state of the world though.

My best guess is that technological innovation and continued world improvement in standard of living will result in more rapid decline in population growth, which will eventually go negative at some point. A stabilized population is perhaps the primary key to so-called sustainability.

Colonialism transmits cultural values and technology, and leads to explosive growth. Though it might be argued that it's the interplay of colonization and native culture that spurred the rapid growth of Asian nations in the post-colonial era.

[redpoint5]

Originally Posted by All Darc

I never heard about Nietzsche propose mass murder of innocents.

I didn't say Nietzsche proposed mass murder; I said Nazism drew inspiration from Nietzsche's ideas. One of those ideas is Übermensch; the creation of being superior to mankind as it currently is. Nietzsche defined good as powerful and capable, and bad as weak and incapable. It's a very short leap in thought to interpret that ideology to mean that individuals or groups that do not benefit the powerful/capable should be eliminated so that progress is not held back.

[All Darc]

Nazi made a huge intentionqal distortion. They found jews skilled and capable, and for them jews was taking german goods, money, jobs. So they found jews stronger and decided attack, starting label jews as weak, as a inferior race.

I think Nietzsche refer as strong the capables of find reason, and define as weak the incapability to be rational and coherent. Not the kind of darwinian sellection of the strong. And Darwin wasn't creating a phylosophy, but just describing the nature, the nature's characteristics hinself found cruel, not desirable for civilization and humanism.

The elimination of weakers, in nazi diabolic phylosophy, was more connect to their own people, since they murdered a lot of cronic ill or mental disable german kids, and sterelized many germans with depression and other psychiatric problems or german people with genetic disorders.

Originally Posted by redpoint5

I didn't say Nietzsche proposed mass murder; I said Nazism drew inspiration from Nietzsche's ideas. One of those ideas is Übermensch; the creation of being superior to mankind as it currently is. Nietzsche defined good as powerful and capable, and bad as weak and incapable. It's a very short leap in thought to interpret that ideology to mean that individuals or groups that do not benefit the powerful/capable should be eliminated so that progress is not held back.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by redpoint5

It's at least as much a field of science as climatology or meteorology. Economics has predictive power, which lands it squarely in the sciences. The problem, like with climate, is that there are so many variables at play. The outcome of something depends not only on what we know about the factors, but how people feel. The more basic economic principles that have fewer confounding factors have stronger predictive power.

While I haven't studied the subject much (I don't follow news), the trade war with China is probably long overdue. The appropriate response to a tariff is a tariff, with the goal of both sides eventually reducing or eliminating them. Trade works best for all when it's free.

I'm probably two-weeks out from completing Zombie Economics.I'll wait until then to address the economic issues.However,at half way through the book,since the early 1970's economists have been batting zero.And Laissez faire has been a complete failure.Capitalism appears to be the most inefficient and expensive form of an economic model.$4-trillion in losses in 2008 alone.
All gains from 1945-through 1976 were lost.
I absolutely disagree with your comparison between climate science and economics.There appears to be no factual evidence to support your assessment.I'll know more over the coming two weeks.Appreciate your patience.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I have no problem with real science. Only the fake science.



I would be more open to that. That is more likely closer to reality.
The the church of climatology believes everything they have is real science, irrefutable, not open for debate, settled science, ect. If it's not open for debate, then it's not science.
The most shocking thing to me is when they try to act like their hypothesis is a law of science.

With an Associates Arts degree,how is it that you can make a distinction between the two? Did you sneek in a dozen multi-disciplinary climate Ph.D.s and 40-years of field research,if not a minimum of 10,000 hours,in each of these dozens of disciplines?
Throw us a bone.
If so,then you have the floor.

[aerohead]

Originally Posted by All Darc

Nobody in this forum talking about Amazon Florest burning.
Strange...

It's been in the news in the USA for over a week.
Under international law,no one may interfere with the internal affairs of Brazil or Bolivia.I have heard that your president is lately more receptive to international assistance in fighting the fires.That's all we know.