The climate change consensus extends beyond climate scientists

[redneck]

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[redpoint5]

My favorite thing is his ability to troll the nearly completely corrupt mainstream "news". I just wish it wasn't necessary to expose their corruption, and that it didn't take such a despicable person to do it.

I'd disagree that the far left have alienated the moderate left. Both sides have moved more to the extremes, which is never a good thing. You can't have The United States (people) of America if half of them hate the other half. The enemy should be North Korea, China, Iran, Russia, and any other groups (Muslim extremists) opposed to liberty and ethical treatment of people.

[freebeard]

So the mods are away for the holidays? Yippee.

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

I like how trump can make people in other countries hate him.

What? Like Hong Kong or Poland?

Trump didn't do any of that.

Trump was carefully vetted by the generals to lead a counter-coup against the Clinton-Obama eight year plan. You may have noticed the support early on by Admiral Rogers and General Flynn. So far he has stood up under intense scrutiny. The bad press and peach mints represent a counter-counter coup.

It's all there in the open-source intelligence if you care to look. "The choice to know will be yours." "The future proves the past."

On topic and via Suspicious 0bservers:
nymag.com/intelligencer/.../climate-change-worst-case-scenario-now-looks-unrealistic.html

www.forbes.com/.../in-2020-climate-science-needs-to-hit-the-reset-button-part-one/#be52de1482c7

There will be another cosmic catastrophe video later today.

[RedDevil]

[freebeard]

For comparison:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia

Tasmania — sort of an outlier?

I'll watch this after I'm done listening to Scott Adams talk about living in a simulation.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkohSBEHhjo

[oil pan 4]

Yeah the "worse case scenarios" are more like the most unrealistic scenarios.
A few years ago the ipcc talked about a 2 degree increase being as certain as the rising tides.
Now they only talk about 1.5 degrees as being a possibility.

I would be more worried about how the south magnetic pole has moved from the antarctic continent to more than half way to Australia, in a few years.
It's about where the word "temperature" is on that map.

[RedDevil]

It is just that the temperature is breaking local records all over Australia.
It makes the wildfires all the more severe. With firefighters unable to do much because even without fires the heat is overwhelming.

What really shocked me was that in New South Wales alone more than 3.4 million hectare of land is burning. The entire size of my country, the Netherlands, is about 4.15 million hectare...
That is a very large patch of forest and wildlife gone!

[oil pan 4]

According to the ipcc a summer of hot temperatures and fires is not proof of climate change.
It's likely proof of a lack of rain and mans interface with the forest and bush.
I'm assuming they don't let brush fires burn there, they put them out immediately under the guise of "all fire is bad all the time"?

In California they won't even do controlled burns because they have neglected burning so much under the false pretense of "saving the environment" that they can not do controlled burns anymore because everything turns into a crazy wild fire now.
So by saving the environment by letting it be natural aside from putting out all fires they f'ed it up worse than if they just completely left it alone.

[TheEnemy]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

In California they won't even do controlled burns because they have neglected burning so much under the false pretense of "saving the environment" that they can not do controlled burns anymore because everything turns into a crazy wild fire now.
So by saving the environment by letting it be natural aside from putting out all fires they f'ed it up worse than if they just completely left it alone.

I have personally seen the devastation caused by not letting it burn for too long. The fires burn so hot that the soil is sterilized. It takes years for even grass to start growing again, where areas that the fires are not as hot flowers and grass are growing the next spring.

[freebeard]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

According to the ipcc a summer of hot temperatures and fires is not proof of climate change.

The evidence of increasing chaos (from a heightened level of energy) could have several possible causes.