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Old 01-13-2020, 02:59 PM   #71 (permalink)
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How are countries like Congo going to develop if we're going to place a social embargo on them by not buying their cobalt?

That's the story of every developing nation; that their cheap labor brings investments to their country and they use that to grow.

As an aside, there is a direct relationship between fossil fuel consumption and wealth. If we're talking about Congo growing economically, we're talking about growing their oil consumption for the foreseeable future.
Well, when they prove they stopped using child labor, like companies are doing to Chinese factories.

I hope that the economic success does not equal petroleum consumption going forward. Just like some countries never had a wide spread wired phone system, but instead jumped straight to cell phones, I hope that countries can jump over the older technologies and go straight to the newer ones...

But another source for CO2, concrete, I do not see how to avoid when an economy booms. As buildings, roads, bridges, and many things that are currently built with concrete I am not aware of another technology to replace it.

Sure, for some things, in some environments, rammed earth bricks will probably work fine for building... but not sure how else to fill all those other use cases.

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No child labor, competitive pay, eight-hour work days, forty-hour work weeks, sick days, paternity leave, benefits, and unions.

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Well, when they prove they stopped using child labor, like companies are doing to Chinese factories.

I hope that the economic success does not equal petroleum consumption going forward. Just like some countries never had a wide spread wired phone system, but instead jumped straight to cell phones, I hope that countries can jump over the older technologies and go straight to the newer ones...

But another source for CO2, concrete, I do not see how to avoid when an economy booms. As buildings, roads, bridges, and many things that are currently built with concrete I am not aware of another technology to replace it.

Sure, for some things, in some environments, rammed earth bricks will probably work fine for building... but not sure how else to fill all those other use cases.
There's nothing intrinsically wrong with children working... it's the dangerous working conditions or trading long term benefits like education for short term ones like cash now, that are the issue. Unfortunately Congo needs the cash now more than it needs to know trigonometry. It may even need the cash more than it needs working conditions we would perceive as acceptable. Things like education and better working conditions are luxuries to pursue once you've solved how you're going to eat in the short to medium term, and how to keep a roof over your head.

In my utopia, we'd send over civil and environmental engineers to plan resource extraction, and we'd send over healthcare and OSHA professionals to minimize undue suffering, but the fact is that Congo is an independent nation, and we don't have the authority to dictate minimum health, wage, and working conditions. They are responsible for that. Despite their suboptimal situation (to put it lightly), they still benefit more by selling the fruits of their labor than if there was no market for it.

I wish GDP and CO2 production were not tightly linked, and I expect that to slowly decouple over time, but we're just not there yet. My best guess as to the next 50 years involves an expansion of nuclear power. The philanthropist Bill Gates is pursuing that, and he's no dummy.
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There's nothing intrinsically wrong with children working... it's the dangerous working conditions or trading long term benefits like education for short term ones like cash now, that are the issue. Unfortunately Congo needs the cash now more than it needs to know trigonometry. It may even need the cash more than it needs working conditions we would perceive as acceptable. Things like education and better working conditions are luxuries to pursue once you've solved how you're going to eat in the short to medium term, and how to keep a roof over your head.

In my utopia, we'd send over civil and environmental engineers to plan resource extraction, and we'd send over healthcare OSHA professionals to minimize undue suffering, but the fact is that Congo is an independent nation, and we don't have the authority to dictate minimum health, wage, and working conditions. They are responsible for that. Despite their suboptimal situation (to put it lightly), they still benefit more by selling the fruits of their labor than if there was no market for it.

I wish GDP and CO2 production were not tightly linked, and I expect that to slowly decouple over time, but we're just not there yet. My best guess as to the next 50 years involves an expansion of nuclear power. The philanthropist Bill Gates is pursuing that, and he's no dummy.
Correct.

Well.. on everything except 50 years, we can do better than that..
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I am trying to find the source that lithium is some horrible to mine material... it is not.

"lithium requires 500k gallons of water for every ton of lithium carbonate extracted. In one area of Argentina, 65% of the fresh water is used in this process, leaving the farmers high & dry there. In tibet where there's a bunch of lithium, they have had a lot of leakage from these ponds that pollute the ground water of the people living there. Realize mining has always been a filthy process. There's all kinds of suits in the American west from the crap that the mines left behind when they went out of business, leaving it just sitting there, cuz while they're bankrupt, they don't have to fix anything now. When the mining companies leave, they leave just miles and miles of contaminated salt rivers and mounds of debris." - Scotty Kilmer 'Saying goodbye to my Toyota Celica's engine.'

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You misspelled "Shouty."

Let me guess, that video was clickbait.

Probably entertaining, though. Did he wave his hands?
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The beauty of an EV is that if you come up with a better battery, the rest of the car continues to perform as originally designed.

Come up with a less toxic battery chemistry? Better power density? Swap that rascal in. Make whatever changes are necessary to the power conditioning hardware but the rest of the car is, well, a car.

It's like an engine swap, except in this case it's more analogous to a fuel tank swap.
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The beauty of an EV is that if you come up with a better battery, the rest of the car continues to perform as originally designed.

Come up with a less toxic battery chemistry? Better power density? Swap that rascal in. Make whatever changes are necessary to the power conditioning hardware but the rest of the car is, well, a car.

It's like an engine swap, except in this case it's more analogous to a fuel tank swap.
Hopefully there will be aftermarket battery retrofits with more range for older EVs in a few years. Being able to change energy sources with no vehicle mods is a great EV benefit too. An EV charged by coal electricity can switch to renewable energy much easier than a gas/diesel vehicle!

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