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Old 08-10-2021, 01:39 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Cheaper than a Prius!
Considering how trucks became proportionately more expensive compared to cars in my country, it does surprise me Ford managed to keep this model quite competitive when it comes to price.

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Old 08-10-2021, 11:04 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Considering how trucks became proportionately more expensive compared to cars in my country, it does surprise me Ford managed to keep this model quite competitive when it comes to price.
A truck used to be the cheapest thing you could buy, odd how times change
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Old 08-10-2021, 06:21 PM   #43 (permalink)
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A truck used to be the cheapest thing you could buy, odd how times change
Some gas-station cowboys may get mad at me, but their trucks are closer to a Ford Model T than to something as fancy and modern as they may want it to look like.
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I remember about 5 years ago I was shopping new stuff and to get a V6, automatic, the basics like ac, pw, pl, and cruise, one of the least expensive thing was a minivan (Grand Caravan) at a little over $18,000. That was maybe understandable as it was a carryover model with a new model available (Pacifica) and minivans were supposedly on the way out. So for a pickup which is still the hottest thing, and a new model at that, to come in for not much more is pretty good. I know it's not a v6 at that price, but it is a hybrid instead and the only thing it lacks IMO is cruise. Otherwise the base truck seems great.
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That seems to be a pretty good deal. I wonder where the AWD price starts. I'd also like to see a side by side of capabilities next to a Ridgeline. I don't think you can get anywhere near a new Ridgeline for $20,000. Not to mention a Ridgeline doesn't get anywhere near 40 mpg city.
I saw someone with a 'home made' Toyota Corolla pickup truck


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for a pickup which is still the hottest thing
Considering how pick-ups became so prevalent in the United States mostly due to a more favorable taxation, which at least in theory could make them turning into the povertry-spec offer, it's quite surprising to find out it took so long for an American automaker to finally release an unibody FWD model there, as a move from RWD to FWD had been a way to decrease costs on the manufacturing of regular cars and it did not prevent all those crossover SUVs to exploit the very same "light truck" loophole.
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Considering how pick-ups became so prevalent in the United States mostly due to a more favorable taxation, which at least in theory could make them turning into the povertry-spec offer, it's quite surprising to find out it took so long for an American automaker to finally release an unibody FWD model there, as a move from RWD to FWD had been a way to decrease costs on the manufacturing of regular cars and it did not prevent all those crossover SUVs to exploit the very same "light truck" loophole.
Pickups are taxed the same as cars in the USA.
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Considering how pick-ups became so prevalent in the United States mostly due to a more favorable taxation, ..., it's quite surprising to find out it took so long for an American automaker to finally release an unibody FWD model there
Perhaps he's thinking of the Chicken Tax. It killed the Type II Dokka (Double Cabin) and put everyone in Hiluxes.
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Pickups are taxed the same as cars in the USA.
Completely utterly False

Every state is different, some states have an economy penalty that raises with fuel economy

My old cars are $210, my truck is up from $75 to a whopping $100
Title fee on one of my cars is $500 more than the truck.

That is why I am considering collector plates so I never have to pay again


One of my friends has a unused hobby farm and claims farm plates on the truck which exempts him from paying wheel tax and his plates last 2 years instead of one, can’t do that on a car
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Perhaps he's thinking of the Chicken Tax. It killed the Type II Dokka (Double Cabin) and put everyone in Hiluxes.
The Chicken Tax should work to make trucks less popular by making them more expensive to import than a car. However, it didn't work that way and companies just shifted production to North America and trucks are as popular as ever. The Toyota Tacoma is the most popular mid-size truck in the USA and has been for a long time. Toyota just built them in the USA (and has recently shifted all production to Mexico)

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Completely utterly False

Every state is different, some states have an economy penalty that raises with fuel economy

My old cars are $210, my truck is up from $75 to a whopping $100
Title fee on one of my cars is $500 more than the truck.

That is why I am considering collector plates so I never have to pay again
That is a tax on fuel economy not vehicle type. A 15 mpg Dodge Challenger is taxed the same as a 15 mpg Ram 1500.

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One of my friends has a unused hobby farm and claims farm plates on the truck which exempts him from paying wheel tax and his plates last 2 years instead of one, can’t do that on a car
Farm taxes are not relevant to the VAST majority of vehicle buyers or owners


Pickups aren't popular in the USA today because they are taxed differently. They are popular because people like driving big vehicles, gas is cheap, and fuel economy regulations are lower for light trucks compared to cars.

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