how much longer for the ICE now Americia's best selling Vehicle has gone electric?

[oil pan 4]

People don't want coal because it's dirty.
People don't want nuclear because they're stupid.
I guess they will be in the dark with no A/C in the summer and no heat in the winter.

[Isaac Zachary]

That reminds me, is like to make a large UPS for my furnace. Hopefully if the power goes out we'll still have gas.

I think it all depends on cost and what people are willing to pay for. The town board here says their goal is to go all renewables but that the cost for electricity will be considerably higher. It's a good thing I don't have AC nor heat my home with electricity.

[oil pan 4]

Get a wall heater.
$300 gets you 30,000 btu per hour, with no electricity. Oh and if you have natural gas and don't have a gas stove, you are wrong. A natural gas range is pretty much a wall heater for your kitchen.
Cause when the electricity goes out, there will be plenty of natural gas, at least for a while.
I took the dual fuel 30,000btu wall heater I bought in 2013 and ran on natural gas till 2018, then brought it to our new place, switched it to propane and hooked it up to a 100lb tank and it's our backup to the woodstove.

[Isaac Zachary]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

Get a wall heater.
$300 gets you 30,000 btu per hour, with no electricity. Oh and if you have natural gas and don't have a gas stove, you are wrong. A natural gas range is pretty much a wall heater for your kitchen.

I have to keep pipes from freezing and bursting at temperatures down to -40⁰F in a trailer with 2 1/2" walls (built with 2×3's).

[oil pan 4]

Rip all the pipes out and replace then with pex. Summer of 2020 we had our rental house worked on, one of the things done was we replaced all the steel and pvc pipes with pex, then this winter it got down to -10f. All the pipes froze. When they thawed, no leaks. If that pvc froze it would have shattered, as pvc has no freeze resilience.
Disaster averted.

[cRiPpLe_rOoStEr]

Originally Posted by oil pan 4

we replaced all the steel and pvc pipes with pex

I didn't even know PEX was a thing, yet I remember seeing some makeshifts done with garden hoses.

[redpoint5]

PEX is common for water supply lines here.

What came before PEX? After helping with my friend's 5th main leak, I told him I'd help install a new main line, but wouldn't help with repairing the 6th leak.

[freebeard]

What came before PEX?

Copper.

[Hersbird]

Originally Posted by JSH

Nope. GM killed the Volt when they killed the Cruze. They both were killed 1st quarter 2019. They were the last cars on the D2XX platform.



This Colstrip?

"The cleanup is a massive undertaking for the waste ponds servicing what was until January 2020 a four-unit power plant. The pond complex for the coal-fired units involves nine waste ponds that have leaked roughly 200 million gallons of contaminated water into the ground every year for more than 30 years. One day’s leakage equals an Olympic-sized swimming pool’s worth of contaminants, including boron, sulfates, selenium and heavy metals. Combined with the Unit 3 and 4 ash ponds, the pollution complex spans 800 acres, with an estimated cleanup cost of $400 million to $700 million. Remediation is expected to take decades.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/sta...me-top-story-1

Yep, imagine that, they take soil contaminated naturally with all those things from around the plant and also millions of tons of, you know, coal. Then they use the coal to make electricity and lots of the leftovers go back into the dry desert soil from wence they came. 1000 years from now someone else will probably have a mine there with some great use of those minerals too. Actually give it long enough and Yellowstone park's volcano will have migrated that far east and north and vaporize anything we didn't use releasing it all into the atmosphere.

[oil pan 4]

There was steel pipe for a long time, those rust and split when frozen, then copper was the much more expensive alternative, it still splits when frozen but usually after multiple freezes, then there was bpv I think it was the name or bpvc something like that, this stuff would split/fail for no reason. Then pvc, it lasts a long time, but first time it freezes it shatters, now there's pex, it doesn't care if it freezes, if you use elbows or couplers those could push apart or split, but the straight runs of pex, just swell when they freeze and don't care.

I like copper because it builds up an antibacterial pitena after enough years, but the cost, speed of install, ease of install and freeze resistance of pex is hard to argue against.